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To: Elroy Jetson who wrote (57628)7/12/2006 11:30:33 PM
From: mishedloRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 306849
 
Yes, I spent most of my career at huge banks.
But.....
You would not believe what I got away with.
Maybe you would.
Still, please remember that I was in programming and out of touch with main bank interests.

Yet, I could AND DID send the CEO of Harris Bank private emails and private phone calls.

I did and say more or less what I wanted and I had an immediate boss that encouraged that. That was not "normal", in either me doing it, or my boss not having a problem with it.

Yes, he took heat (from other managers) for it. I know he did.
But when your immediate boss backs you up and the president of Harris Bank personally gives you a call asking you not to leave the company when you resign, other supervisors that wanted to crucify me could do me no harm. Oh, my boss's boss approved of my "beligerency" as well.

I was EXTREMELY careful to never criticize either of them.
BTW - they seldom needed criticism either.

One manager told me point blank "you could never get away with that under me". I told her point blank "I could never possibly report to you".

The best job in the world is when
1) you like what you are doing
2) you like who you work with
3) you like who you report to

Those are MOST important
If you can add

4) you think you are being fairly compensated
5) you think your opinion matters

you are in heaven.
When a person 4 levels higher than you calls you in his office and asks point blank "from a diversified point of view who is eligible for promotion", well perhaps that says alot.

I bet without going further Elroy knows what this question was about.

I recommened the best black female that I knew of and she was promptly promoted to manager.

I did NOT want a management role.

In one private conversation with the president of Harris Bank, I mentioned 3 managers above me that should be fired. 2 were within 3 weeks. Is that normal?

I told the president "I do not want a promotion out of this"
His reply was "why do you think I am talking to you?"

One of those managers that was soon to be fired came to me in the interim asking for advice.

I almost puked. Here was the bizarre situation of a person asking me for help who the day before I was in the president's office recommending for her to be fired.

She was.
So was one of the other two.

I had an enormous influence at Harris given that I was not even a manager. I am not sure I am the exact person to be stating what was "normal" at banks. I am sure that my situation at Harris was nowhere near close to normal. That my opinion mattered was one of the big reasons I stayed at Harris. When the Bank of Montreal bought out Harris and my opinion no longer menat squat, I left.

I can assure you that my entire career (even outside Harris) was nowhere near normal.

I will NEVER work for a place that does not want to hear my opinion.

Is that normal?

Mish