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To: Brumar89 who wrote (191654)	7/14/2006 1:13:23 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Respond to of 281500

Turn off the whole region, then. Their neighbors will change their minds for them in a hurry. What do you think about the charge ... Surprisingly, not all that much. Mostly overrated. Not the nice little table I was looking for, but this will give an idea... awea.org Altho, given the large number of birds where I live, it's a consideration for me, personally. I can see it being used as a perch by lots of hawks, vultures, and even turkeys; I've seen how how turkeys sometimes perch. If it came to the point where I needed more, above solar and micro-hydro, for my own needs (total collapse), I'd put one in. That doesn't mean there should be one right in front of Carl's Bad Cavern, tho. ============= Looking for the death figures, I stumbled on this. I started my career just B4 the first oil crisis, so I spent some time scheming on how to store wind with compressed air, and figured I didn't know what I was thinking about. Thank you for your article on the current status of wind development in the United States. However, I do have to take issue with one of your comments, that wind cannot be economically stored. We have been working on combining compressed air energy storage (CAES) with wind generation in West Texas, and we have shown that storage can actually reduce the burden on the transmission system. In fact, storage can allow additional wind generation capacity to be served within an existing transmission plan. Our estimates suggest that a combined wind and storage project would be able to produce shaped, dispatchable energy for less than 5 cents per kWh with the capacity benefits of traditional thermal generation, with over 90 percent renewable content. We are not the only ones who are working on matching wind with storage. BPA has announced a service where they use their stored hydro to shape and balance wind production delivered into their system so that the wind can be resold as a firm product. Recent articles suggest that the storage services bumps up the cost of wind also to only about 5 cents per kWh. powermarketers.netcontentinc.net!