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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (24138)	7/15/2006 10:18:06 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541556

Are these not the very lessons we learned in Iraq? It's easy to destroy the leadership of a country, but when you do it without planning for what follows, you let loose innumerable demons- and I think we still don't know whether those demons will be contained in Iraq. How exquisitely foolish of Israel to attempt the same sort of experiment on their borders.

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (24138)	7/15/2006 7:32:26 PM
From: thames_sider	Respond to of 541556

More tellingly, the lack of governance in Gaza and the West Bank might increase Israel's responsibility in these territories - a burden even the opposition on the Right is reluctant to assume. The task of rehabilitating shattered central institutions is far more daunting than preventing their collapse. For this - if for no other - reason, it is imperative that immediate measures be taken to avert utter chaos. Call me cynical, but I think that's Israel's current aim. Wipe out anything in Gaza or the Bantustans of the occupied West Bank, destroy more advanced than a moped or steam loom, and then allow a few starving refugees to queue for work on the other side of the Walls. Anyone disobeys, and a bit of random shelling will kill a few dozen random civilians. At best. Obviously the lessons the survivors now in Israel learnt in youth, they have built on to vile effect.

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (24138)	7/19/2006 7:27:01 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541556

If the terrorist are the government, as is the case with Hamas than you have to go after the government as well. The Covenant of Hamas The Covenant outlines the organization's position on various issues, including social and economic development and ideological influences, education, as well as its position regarding Israel. Amongst many other things, it reiterates the group's rejection of the coexistence principle of the peace process in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict: Preface: "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (A quote by Imam Hassan al Banna) Article 6: "The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine, for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned..." Article 11: "The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up." Article 13: "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors. The Palestinian people know better than to consent to having their future, rights and fate toyed with." Article 28: "The Zionist invasion is a vicious invasion ... It relies greatly in its infiltration and espionage operations on the secret organizations it gave rise to, such as the Freemasons, The Rotary and Lions clubs, and other sabotage groups. All these organizations, whether secret or open, work in the interest of Zionism and according to its instructions ..." Article 32: "After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."[18] en.wikipedia.org