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To: Mary Cluney who wrote (24602)	7/20/2006 3:46:33 PM
From: Lane3	Respond to of 541518

When was the last time a war was fought following St Augustine's guidelines(criteria for war)? Of course you can't fight a war that way. If both sides followed it, there could be no war. If one side followed it, it would be a slaughter of the side that followed it. Maybe some "wars" were fought that way, but their progeny never survived to perpetuate the idea.

To: Mary Cluney who wrote (24602)	7/20/2006 5:23:20 PM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 541518

Augustine's theory of just war is that it is morally just to use violence to defend others, and to establish or defend peace. Perhaps you can see into the hearts of men, but I cannot. I can sometimes judge by their actions when someone initiates violence, but only sometimes.

To: Mary Cluney who wrote (24602)	7/20/2006 11:05:25 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 541518

When was the last time a war was fought following St Augustine's guidelines(criteria for war)? Their exact application to specific situations can be vague and the interpretations somewhat subjective. Another question is how total of commitment to the ideas you require (If the overall plan is compatible with the ideas but one soldier, or even one division commander goes against them, was the war fought along those guidelines or not?) It's not unreasonable for your determination to be anything from "Wars are never fought according to those standards" to it not being extremely unusual (even if it isn't the norm) to fight a war that respects those standards.