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To: arun gera who wrote (66683)	7/22/2006 3:49:44 PM
From: shades	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 110194

Arun none of the indian doctors want to help find my dad a kidney. I have found him some people that will sell him one - but the doctors in India want to intervene in the free market and stop this. They told me it was better for the starving indian to die and my father to die than these 2 people meet in the free market - when asked how they justify this - a hospital doctor in India sent me this (regarding the policy that only a direct relative can give a kidney) The stricter policy was put in place because without such policies there were many poor, illiterate people who were easily being enticed to putting their own lives at risk for pathetically small sums of money that made no significant difference in their lives whatsoever. Regards, IndUShealth Now I thought 30K US dollars was a lot of money to a poor starving indian after reading this - is 30K us dollars a pathetically small sum of money to these guys Arun? Their policy prevents the poor of India from getting ANY price - pathetically small or abundantly large - how silly and selfish. oheraldo.in Malsinghwala is one of a spate of villages across INDIA that have suddenly been put up for sale. Similar reports are coming from across INDIA. What began as an isolated and an extreme case of rural distress is now slowly and steadily spreading its tentacles throughout the country. In December 2005, Dorli in Wardha district of Maharashtra in central INDIA became the first village outside the frontline agricultural state of Punjab - the harbinger of Green Revolution in INDIA - to make itself available for sale. With signboards pasted all around, and the slogan “ Dorli village is for sale” painted on the cattle back and trees, what appeared to be a bizarre tale is now becoming a sad but widespread reality. Dorli village comprises 270 residents, 500 livestock, and nearly 600 acres of agricultural land. Every villager, including children, has an outstanding debt of Rs 30,000. A few weeks later, hundreds of residents of Chingapur village in Yeotmal region of Maharashtra, invited the President of INDIA, Dr Abdul Kalam, and the Prime Minister, Mr Manmohan Singh, to preside over a ‘human market’ for the sale of KIDNEYS. Unable to repay the mounting debts, the villagers had decided to go in for mass sale of KIDNEYS. The situation in the neighbouring villages is no better. “It is debt,” says Gurjit Singh, a huge Sikh farmer who stands in the hot sun. “We cannot pay our debts. If someone else can come here and make the land pay, we’re prepared to work for them.” The farmers of Malsinghwala own their own land. But they are so heavily in debt they would prefer to give that up and work as common labourers. Mahatma Gandhi’s dream of a strong, independent INDIAn society based on its villages is dying under the sizzling Punjab sun.

To: arun gera who wrote (66683)	8/3/2006 1:46:35 PM
From: shades	Respond to of 110194

Why are Indian men such Pushovers? (have they learned nothing of 60% divorce rate in the west?) Arun last night I watched this program - it is coming on again for you and especially MISH to watch on the FX channel. showings of "30 Days" Mon 8/7 12:05 AM 30 Days: Outsourcing 60 FX description: A man who lost his job to outsourcing travels to India and witnesses the affects of U.S. jobs on the country's culture. duration: 62 min A good computer programmer in new york loses his job to outsourcing in India - he goes to india - lives with an indian family and gets a job at an outsourced call center. First thing he notices is the extreme poverty - lack of good infrastructure and roads. How dirty everything is. Soni - the wife of the family he is staying with - used to be a school teacher - but after the arranged marriage she is expected to take care of the house. She is bitter about this and they have arguements. Her husband works as a manager at a call center. She wants to work at the call center too and be "independent" - her husband gets angry - she no longer cooks and cleans and presses his pants or makes him a cup of tea - his mother did all these things - Soni used too - but new "independent" Soni is no longer doing these things!! Ugg I wanted to puke right there. I forced myself to keep watching the program for you and Mish however. The ex programmer says India's culture is not going to survive hyper capitalism - they are america 1950 and current america is their future and there are not going to be traditional indian wives anymore - more independents like Soni coming on board all the time. He went to some indian managers house - he called it a modern day cave - it was just one room with a roof over it and 6 people sleeping in that one room in a slum - he couldn't believe a manager (of the janitor staff of the nice skyscraper the call center is in) with 6 years on the job lived more poorly than the laziest welfare mother in the USA. Women with children constantly barraged this guy wanting money and he would cry at all the starving babies. He said its amazing the wealth of some areas of bangalore and a few streets down you are in a slum with rats and sewage and he doesn't understand how people can share roads with cows, ox, chickens, and cars - they need traffic infrastructure and enforcement (my redneck uncle is leaving florida because they won't let him keep his 500 chickens) - the programmer predicted a meltdown in traffic flows in the very near future - too much congestion - he doesn't understand how people can work in such nice buildings then go home to such dirt and nastiness - why don't they take more time beautifying thier homes and streets and pick up the garbage? (a true trajedy of the commons - people are herd mentatlity creatures - if everyone around them is dirty - be a good lemming eh? Why should I pick up the trash if Arun isn't going too - hehe) I had several indian friends back in college - they kept thier homes clean HERE - one took over 5 gas stations in south ga - previously they had public toilets - I used those gas stations to buy gas and snack foods and use the bathrooms - he put up signs on the toilets out of order - they still worked of course - he just didn't want to clean them I suppose - I quit going to my friends gas stations and told him why - he didn't change his policy last I heard - why do you think Arun? I also noticed several motels in s Ga get taken over by some indian families - the hotels became very rundown and dirty - a fresh painting would have done wonders - how much does it cost for a can of paint and a few hours of time? Sheesh what is it about them I wonder. Anyways the programmer went through the call center training program - everything was about emulating americans - thier accents even - completely destroying any indian influence. Destroying 10,000 years of culture and custom - now the indians are celebrating christmas because that is when they get time off from work - he said it is crazy all these hindus celebrate christmas! But they must conform to what thier jobs allow - UGG! GO capitalism - globalize the entire world under one system and squeeze out all the diversity and make little machines of us all to serve the master! Spock once said Arun - infinite diversity infinite combinations - Indian men are not only letting their wives make them into a bitch - but profit seeking capitalists make them a bitch too - what pushovers - and for what? SO they can have that flashy rolex watch and new car that soon will have too much congestion on the roads to drive? hehe They were not stopping rampant child bearing or helping child poverty or child education with all that new wealth from what I saw - but MATERIAL things like 7 story shopping malls - GO PRINCESS! While the programmer was there some great indian actor died and there were mass riots everywhere - many big companies had to shut down and many buildings pummeled with rocks and mass rioting - destruction everywhere - the programmer said companies can't be shut down like that for long - Infosys lost 40 million that day from thier indian operations being shut down - he said he could never imagine rioting like that in new york. There is a LOT of repressed anger from the masses on poor living conditions! At the end this programmer said well after seeing all that poverty and starving babies I guess I don't mind losing my job to support 15 indians in India - I will just have to make do. At this my jaw dropped Arun and I guess I am one evil son of a bitch. I didn't get the joy of plugging my magic wand into the indian princess secret spot - so now because some indian man got that joy 15 times and now 15 starving babies are on the street - I should sacrifice my standard of living and be happy for it - my grandpa didn't raise me to be that nice - screw that - bhagwati and his Council of Foreign Relations can shove it - stop screwing and wear condoms - Protectionism is going to be the only way a congressmen or president gets my vote anymore - damn the megacorps and global free trade - damn the starving babies in India I didn't get the joy in creating - I am not going to go from sleeping in wal mart parking lot to sleeping in the gutter so that some indian who screwed his problems away can have a better life. Arun you know I love you, but I got very bitter at the end of that program the reasons this unemployed worker thinks we should suffer over here. Bhagwati said the rising tide lifts all boats - but that is shit Arun - when we pass our jobs to India we are supposed to fill higher order jobs here (at least that is what Grace Zaccardi says) - as me and regli and Mish lose jobs to indians we are supposed to make the new jobs in immortal stem cell technology that gives us all indefinite lifespans and new jobs in space and physics that gets us to alpha centauri in 24 hours - but Arun I don't see me and mish and regli adding a lot to the new higher order jobs or economies - all I see is us getting poorer and our boat sinking while some other mans boat rises - and I am just not that nice - hehe. Our presidents killed the super collider and are ethically against government backed stem cell technologies - they are not supporting the infrastructures to create the higher order jobs in the USA - our government is killing our people's future here. What exactly are we supposed to do here that we give up our current golden goose to india and china? I don't see a new golden goose coming and I am a futurist/technology geek - perhaps I am just too dumb to see it - illuminate me my friend? I don't see underground cities coming, I don't see underwater cities coming, I don't see cloud cities or moon cities - I see very little progress being made towards star trek anymore - unlike the previous 20 years with lasers and cell phones and computer horsepower.

To: arun gera who wrote (66683)	8/3/2006 1:53:23 PM
From: shades	Respond to of 110194

Indian Princess killing America GM To Invest Over $300M In 2nd India Mfg Plant (Soni about to get a pay raise in India because indian man is such a push over - hehe - I predict the marriage I saw in that show 30 days will end - if not - soni and her husband will lead lives of quiet desperation - a great western philosopher said most men do - hehe - He wants her to do one thing - she wants to do another - I predict the man loses - why cant the rising tide lift all boats? - The marketing department has convinced SONI that new diamonds and new designer 200 dollar jeans is better than family and home I guess - hehe) NEW DELHI (Dow Jones)--General Motors Corp. (GM) will invest more than $300 million to build its second manufacturing plant in India as the U.S.-based automaker seeks to boost its presence in one of the world's fastest growing automobile markets. The factory will be built in the western state of Maharashtra and initially produce 140,000 vehicles a year, said a statement by General Motors' Indian subsidiary. More than 1,000 people will start at the plant, the statement said, adding that the factory will more than double GM's manufacturing capacity in India to over 220,000 vehicles a year. An agreement was signed by General Motors India Pvt. Ltd. President and Managing Director Rajeev Chaba and the Maharashtra government's Industries Secretary V.K. Jairath for building the new factory. "Our new facility will enable us to continue the rapid build-up of our presence in one of the fastest growing and potentially largest markets in the world," said Nick Reilly, GM's Asia-Pacific president. "We cannot remain a global industry leader without a strong presence in high-growth vehicle markets around the world like India," he said. Earlier in the day, Rajiv Jalota, chief executive officer at Maharashtra Industrial Development Corp. said 300 acres of land has been allotted to GM at Talegaon city in the state. The new factory will complement GM's current unit in the western state of Gujarat, where it currently produces four models of the Chevrolet range. It includes the sports-utility-vehicle model, Tavera, the Optra and Aveo sedans, and the hatchback model, Optra SRV. The capacity at the Gujarat factory is being expanded to 85,000 vehicles a year by December to meet the growing sales of GM cars in the country. In 2005, GM sold 30,837 cars in India, Asia's fourth-biggest automobile market. This year, the company aims to sell 50,000 cars. GM also has technical center in India's technology hub of Bangalore, where it carries out engineering, research and development work. The construction of the new factory will begin at the end of August and is expected to be completed within 20 months, said GM. The company aims to begin production at the factory by September 2008. GM plans to initially manufacture a mini-car at the new facility for the Indian market. The company didn't give details of the new hatchback model. Analysts said the entry of GM, the world's biggest automaker, into the hatchback segment is likely to further intensify competition in India's automobile market. Currently, market leader Maruti Udyog Ltd. (532500.BY), Hyundai Motor India Ltd. and Tata Motors Ltd. (500570.BY) dominate the local hatchback market. Hatchbacks, or cars with engine capacities ranging from 0.8-liters to 1.6-liters, comprise more than 75% of the more than one million cars sold in India each year as they are cheaper and more fuel-efficient than sedans. GM India's Chaba said the company chose Maharashtra as the site of the new manufacturing facility because of advantages over labor skills, costs, infrastructure and geographic location. -By Santanu Choudhury, Dow Jones Newswires; +91-11-23074020; santanu.choudhury@dowjones.com (END) Dow Jones Newswires