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Politics : Israel to U.S. : Now Deal with Syria and Iran -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (11741)	7/23/2006 4:28:15 PM
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No More Silence! Bob Boldt July 23, 2006 Is the comparison of Israel to Nazi Germany valid? - or different strokes for different folks - different crimes for different times… My field testing of this Israel=Nazi graphic yielded almost universal negative results. I would appreciate any comments readers would care to add after a careful reading of the following comments. Of course there is no hard and fast point-by-point analogy in comparing Israel to the German Nazis. The comparison is deliberately inflammatory and a strict historical stretch at best. There are disturbing proclivities that lie deep within the modern Jewish/Israel psyche that seem to have driven them to imitate their former oppressors. I wish I could say that the downtrodden victim of abuse never goes on to visit the same rape and pillage upon his own children and other innocents under his domination. Sad to say the opposite is more than often the rule. I agree the Israelis are not trying to destroy the Palestinians in exactly the same way that the Germans were trying to eliminate the Jews. But Israel is practicing its own unique genocide in its own way. There are just too many people watching and they don’t have quite the same amount of impunity the Krauts had – nearly, but once again, not the quite the same amount. I find the "Wall" not all that different from Auschwitz and Treblinka except the modern Jews lack the German obsession with efficiency and speed. The Israelis have just built it around their victims rather than building the camp and herding everyone in. Of course the Israelis haven’t set up the ovens - yet. It’s far more fun for their soldiers to use Palestinian children for gunnery training and practice driving their shiny new American Caterpillar tractors over young activists. I also think Israel’s Lebanon scorched earth policy, which by this time next week will probably have resulted in a modern disaster worthy of a reapplication of the term "Holocaust," is something the Reich III would well understand and applaud. After all the Nazis took the policy of recriminations against innocent civilians to a height unexcelled only until recently by the Israelis. Oh don’t tell me about that little barbarian, Pol Pot – we are talking about "civilized" white men here!. The present situation has caused me to think the unthinkable and consider the abandoning of certain ideas that I had been taught to think of as unassailable. I have examined my intellectual and emotional reactions to these propositions I have had thrust in my face by the present state of the world and found my conclusions repellant and distasteful. I can fully understand other’s unwillingness to concur in my assertions. I wish I could draw back from these conclusions myself, but I cannot. The first conclusion I have reluctantly come to is that Israel has become what it hated. In a peculiar form of a realpolitck Stockholm-syndrome, Israel has permanently taken on the spirit of the racist, imperialist ideology of their Nazi oppressors of old. All that is lacking is to call a spade a spade and attach the dreaded swastika to their enterprise. I do not like being forced by the evidence to these conclusions. [1] I struggled for days to try to compose a graphic that would express the condition of Israel and the measure of their crimes and atrocities. "Stop Israel !" "Israel Out Now!" "Condemn Israel" just didn’t seem to carry nearly the magnitude of their culpability or the need for a swift sure cauterizing action necessary to bring to a halt, once and for all, this mad regime. "Israel" spelled with a swastika in place of the "s" seemed the only graphic able to carry the full meaning or the outrage that I felt must be expressed. I realize the swastika is a symbol that has been prohibited as being the height of political incorrectness and bad taste. It creates a visceral, Pavlovian response in most people so that it can never be used to either advocate for a revival of German National Socialism or never to be used to accuse Israel of committing the same excesses they have had visited upon themselves. Another unthinkable conclusion I have come to is that the civilized world needs to begin to formulate certain ways and means to implement the termination of Israel as a military-political entity. Its existence as an oppressor in the region, its threat as a nuclear power, its treatment of the Palestinians together with human rights violations unmatched by few others in the civilized world plus its inability to self correct and become a productive member of the human community, I think, should have forced Israel to forfeit its membership among the society of nations. Amerika is completely responsible for the conduct and the survival of Israel. Israel could not exist without massive government and private support from the United States. It is not a self-sustaining endeavor. Make no mistake about this; I am not advocating the destruction of the nation in a military incursion like Lebanon or Iraq. Like Terri Schiavo, our support should be (gently?) withdrawn - both financial and military aid from the US government as well as a complete economic boycott by all peace-loving nations. A massive UN evacuation and resettlement of Israel’s citizens should be set up for those who wish to leave and avoid a massacre by invading elements. Violence always produces an opposite and usually a more powerful reaction. To the destabilizing of fully half the earth, Israel has failed to learn that lesson. We seem not to have learned it either – not even in spite of Vietnam. We, like Israel, still keep thinking the answer to every problem in geopolitics is a military one. It is difficult to imagine the Middle-east without Israel. I would really like to try… A word about American Jews and the Jewish lobby, American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC): Americans need to understand the degree to which Israel and its insidious agents have attempted to buy, intimidate and coerce every local and national politician in this country. This is the message Tom Hayden spoke of in his essay, I was Israel’s Dupe. [2] There is no aspect of our society that has not been corrupted by (I would like to say, "these filthy Jews" – see how hard it is to even talk without the fear of being branded anti-Semitic) these agents whose sole purpose is the protection of Israel at the expense of the United States. Is it not surprising that congress nearly unanimously voted to support the destruction of Lebanon. Nearly Unanimously! Good gods, they actually own the whole damned congress – bought and paid for!!! [3] Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon: "…we the Jewish people control America." [4] It’s time to end the Israel fairy tale. The left has too long been divided on this issue. It is time we remove the scales from our eyes and see the malignancy that is Israel for what it is. Do you realize there is more dissonance between Jews in Israel as to their fascist policies than there is among the faithful in America? The poor Jews in this country that still maintain their unthinking, maniacal allegiance to the "homeland" must be abandoned as hopelessly deluded and beyond hope of rational persuasion or conversion. They must be left behind in the dust of the road flailing and frothing hysterically while we move into the real world the way it really is. The survival of our country (for what that is worth) depends on it. We must wage the most brutally honest media campaign against Israel possible. Israel must be castrated militarily. In the name of humanity there should not be left one stone standing upon another in that whole horrid land. The land of Israel must cease to exist. It should be given to the Palestinians who have earned it several times over. If it were within my power I would also order that the shrines to monotheism that have fostered so much violence, bloodshed and the wasting of innocent life be dismantled as well. I will hold that proposal for another day. The great massacres inspired by our theological differences are actually indications that monotheism is at long last suffering its grand final gasp. The only trouble is that these three great plagues of humanity: Judaism, Christianity and Islam may do us all in before their final rattle. Events seem to point to this. It’s time to shout "fire" in the crowded theatre. If it takes the judicious and deliciously appropriate use of a swastika - I say let’s use it. I am willing to listen to strategic arguments on this. What I would vehemently insist on is the importance of the strongest possible anti-Israel advocacy by the left as quickly as possible. Talk about the earth in the balance! Bob Boldt ================== [1] "Freud would have offered us a more chilling lesson… Identification with the aggressor. As the lesson of the Holocaust. The inability to live out the trauma of the genocide one experienced in any other way. Do unto others what was done onto you. The only deliverance from the trauma of one’s dehumanization is to remake oneself in the image of the Nazi. Projection of that brutality onto another is the proof that one has learned the lesson. The lesson that one has internalized the fascist imperative: Orwell’s boot brought down on the face of everything human in the other." - Walter A. Davis (see the link, Kafka’s Birthday, for a complete essay by Professor Davis on the subject.) mwcnews.net [2] "…all these rank-and-file constituencies were attuned to the question of Israel, even in local and state elections, and would never vote for a candidate perceived as anti-Israel or pro-Palestinian. I had to be certified "kosher," not once but over and over again." - Tom Haden, I Was Israel’s Dupe His essay is worth the read and will open your eyes. counterpunch.com [3] Associated Press – July 21, 2006 "The house, displaying a foreign affairs solidarity lacking on issues such as Iraq, voted overwhelmingly yesterday to support Israel in its confrontation with Hezbollah guerrillas. The resolution, which was passed on a 410-8 vote, also condemns enemies of the Jewish state." The vote was regarded as a success for the lobbying attempts by the infamous AIPAC. – read it and weep for our so-called democracy. washingtontimes.com [4] On October 3, 2001, I.A.P. News reported that according to Israel Radio (in Hebrew) Kol Yisrael an acrimonious argument erupted during the Israeli cabinet weekly session last week between Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his foreign Minister Shimon Peres. Peres warned Sharon that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and "turn the US against us. "Sharon reportedly yelled at Peres, saying "don't worry about American pressure, we the Jewish people control America." mediamonitors.net