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To: neolib who wrote (192747)	7/23/2006 5:11:44 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

But the Arabs kept loosing each war as well. They are capable of learning. Unfortunately, with each war, Israel make it clear that acquiring more land was one of their goals. Bad idea. They were interested in acquiring defensible borders - wouldn't you be in their shoes? The partition lines of 1947 and the armistince liens of 1949 are both nearly indefensible. Israel is 9 miles wide at Nahariya. Furthermore, with each war, the Arabs attacked Israel, as you have said. Why should Israel owe them a do-over on the results of the war? Everywhere else, and I do mean EVERYWHERE else, if you attack a neighboring country and lose land, you're out of luck, buddy. What about the terrorist wars which helped Yugoslavia split up? What about them? Was Serbia rewarded for its aggression? Was it told that Bosnia and Kosovo should revert to Serbian control? I think not.

To: neolib who wrote (192747)	7/23/2006 7:42:55 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

"Unfortunately, with each war, Israel make it clear that acquiring more land was one of their goals." Then why have they given up control of the Sinai and the Suez Canal? 3 times.

To: neolib who wrote (192747)	7/24/2006 10:19:34 AM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"Unfortunately, with each war, Israel make it clear that acquiring more land was one of their goals. " NOt exactly true. Israel is happy to give up lands back to states that previoulsy owned them as in egypt. The original purpose of West Bank settlements was to prod the arab states to cut a grand deal not Greater Israel. That came later with Likud and that happened only because arab states like saudi arabia refused to cut a deal for autonomy at a minimum for the WB and Gaza. It apparently was in their interest to let things fester and play rejectionist. Israel fell into that trap when Likud took over. ITs all a series of missteps by all parties but the biggest crimes were committed by the arab states who chose to let their bretheren rot in refugee camps rather than cut a deal with an israel who was recognized as legit within 67 borders.