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To: Dale Baker who wrote (25079)	7/25/2006 1:06:11 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541598

it doesn't answer whether the warming isn't part of the typical cyclical trends in the climate, how much human input has changed that trend (is it significant as far as causing consequences?), do we understand enough about warming trends to say it can or should be changed, and do we know if trying to change climate trends will not have even worse, unknown adverse consequences? All excellent questions. I wasn't looking for additional information on this issue but am reading Fernand Braudel's Mediterranean and in the chapter on the development of agriculture he goes into some of these questions as they pertain to the history of mankind in the Pleistocene. He talks about stuff like the rise and fall of sea level, droughts and wet periods, and of course mankind wasn't affecting climate at that stage (at least I don't see how). I hate to talk about these issues in the context of political bashing, but am fascinated by the science. The ice core data sure looks cyclical to me. I think those are J curves! en.wikipedia.org

To: Dale Baker who wrote (25079)	7/25/2006 1:25:14 PM
From: Lane3	Respond to of 541598

Are we allowed to count as ourselves as complicaters? The reason I posted what I did is because for some reason the debate always regresses to the deniers countering the obvious and the true-believers reiterating the obvious. It's so deadly boring. It's like starting each day of in kindergarten and having to work your way up to wherever in life you ended yesterday. The debate about the "complications" will never get off the ground if we have to start at square one each day. I do so wish the true-believers would stick to their guns that there is a basic foundation about which there is consensus and quit revisiting it.

To: Dale Baker who wrote (25079)	7/25/2006 2:12:42 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541598

I don't suppose you get the Sci Fi channel where you are. The other day they had an engaging episode of Nightmares & Dreamscapes about how one genius's idea for saving the world went awry. The End of the Whole Mess Directed by Mikael Salomon (TNT's Salem's Lot) - teleplay by Lawrence D. Cohen (Carrie, Stephen King's It) The world had changed. Violence, war and hatred and replaced with kindness, peace and love. But at what price? Renowned filmmaker Howie Fornoy (Ron Livingston), with just one hour to live, recounts the details of his brother's (Henry Thomas) worldwide experiment gone terribly wrong.