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To: Mike Buckley who wrote (53997)7/29/2006 1:32:27 PM
From: Jim Mullens  Respond to of 197253
 
Mike B, Re: QCOM value chain, Hitting the nail on the dead center- and >>>>

The single strongest evidence for me of Qualcomm's strengthening value chain .....is exactly what -- the number of end users that will increase as WCDMA adoption spreads throughout the world. In fact, were it not for that significantly important part of the value chain, I wouldn't be a long-term investor in Qualcomm.

Well said, and deserving of my nomination for QCOM post of the decade. (not worth much, tho ggg)

Exactly the prime reason why I’ve been a QCOM long since the Spring of 1999 despite the enormous amount of FUD throughout that period.

Don’t know why that’s such a mystery to most folks, but apparently FUD sticks.



To: Mike Buckley who wrote (53997)7/29/2006 1:41:14 PM
From: Jon Koplik  Respond to of 197253
 
NYT -- The Wi-Fi in Your Handset ..........................................................

July 29, 2006

The Wi-Fi in Your Handset

By MATT RICHTEL

What if, instead of burning up minutes on your cellphone plan, you could make free or cheap calls over the wireless networks that allow Internet access in many coffee shops, airports and homes?

New phones coming on the market will allow just that.

Instead of relying on standard cellphone networks, the phones will make use of the anarchic global patchwork of so-called Wi-Fi hotspots. Other models will be able to switch easily between the two modes.

The phones, while a potential money-saver for consumers, could cause big problems for cellphone companies. They have invested billions in their nationwide networks of cell towers, and they could find that customers are bypassing them in favor of Wi-Fi connections. The struggling Bell operating companies could also suffer if the new phones accelerate the trend toward cheap Internet-based calling, reducing the need for a standard phone line in homes with wireless networks.

The spottiness of wireless Internet coverage means that for now, the phones will be more of a supplement to, rather than a replacement for, standard cellphone service. But dozens of American cities and towns are either building or considering wide-area wireless networks that would allow Wi-Fi phones to connect and make free or cheap calls.

“It’s a phone that looks, feels and acts like a cell phone, but it actually operates over the Wi-Fi network,” said Steve Howe, vice president of voice for EarthLink, which is building networks in Philadelphia and Anaheim, Calif.

Later this year it plans to introduce Wi-Fi phone service that Mr. Howe said could cost a fifth as much as traditional cell service.

The technology is in its early stages, and it faces some hurdles to widespread use. But it is being promoted by big technology companies like Cisco Systems and giving rise to new competition in the mobile phone business.

A handful of companies are already using Wi-Fi phones to cut costs within offices or on corporate campuses, and the phones will soon be reaching the consumer market.

Skype, the Internet calling service owned by eBay, said last week that four manufacturers plan to begin shipping Wi-Fi phones that are compatible with the service by the end of September. Among them is Netgear, a maker of networking equipment, which plans to charge $300 for its phone; the other makers include Belkin, Edge-Core and SMC.

Skype allows free calls to other Skype users and usually charges pennies a minute for calls to regular phones, although it has made all domestic calls free through the end of the year.

EarthLink plans to sell phones for $50 to $100, then charge roughly $25 a month for unlimited calling. Initially, the service will work only with hotspots where Internet access is provided by EarthLink, either in homes or on its citywide networks.

The major cellphone companies have taken notice of Wi-Fi phones, and some have chosen to deal with the potential threat by embracing it, building it into their business plans.

Cingular Wireless plans to introduce phones next year that will allow people to connect at home through their own wireless networks but switch to cell towers when out and about.

Later this year, T-Mobile plans to test a service that will allow its subscribers to switch seamlessly between connections to cellular towers and Wi-Fi hotspots, including those in homes and the more than 7,000 it controls in Starbucks outlets, airports and other locations, according to analysts with knowledge of the plans. The company hopes that moving mobile phone traffic off its network will allow it to offer cheaper service and steal customers from cell competitors and landline phone companies like AT&T.

“T-Mobile is interested in the replacement or displacement of landline minutes,” said Mark Bolger, director of marketing for T-Mobile. Wi-Fi calling “is one of the technologies that will help us deliver on that promise.”

Major phone manufacturers including Nokia, Samsung and Motorola are offering or plan to introduce phones designed for use on both traditional cell and Wi-Fi networks. Samsung said last week that it had begun to sell its dual-mode phone in Italy.

Wi-Fi not only has the potential to offer better voice quality than traditional cellular service, but it also opens the door to videoconferencing and other data services on mobile devices. Cellphone users are now often limited to the services offered by their carriers, but Wi-Fi phones could have access to a wider range of offerings on the Internet, in some cases at faster transmission speeds than on the carriers’ networks.

But there are enough limits to the technology that it may be some time before people start tossing out their old cellphones to take advantage of Wi-Fi.

The radio signals sent from standard mobile phones connect to tens of thousands of cell sites on towers or attached to buildings, billboards and other structures. These cells have an average range of two miles, allowing them to blanket much of the country.

Wi-Fi hotspots have a much more limited range, usually no more than 800 feet. Unlike the cellphone towers, which are operated by the carriers, the hotspots tend to be controlled by individuals or smaller companies, and are not coordinated or organized into a larger network.

“It’s going to be a long time before you’ll have a reliable Wi-Fi connection anywhere you go,” said Michael Jackson, director of operations for Skype.

A company called Fon, which is based in Spain and is backed by Skype and Google, is trying to accelerate the spread of Wi-Fi by selling cheap wireless routers to anyone who will agree to let other people in the vicinity use them by paying an access fee. The buyers can choose to split the fee with the company.

In October, Fon plans to begin charging about $150 for a wireless router that also serves as a docking station for a Skype-compatible Wi-Fi phone. The phone will connect easily to hotspots operated by Fon members.

“Wireless Internet infrastructure can be incredibly inexpensive,” said Martin Varsavsky, the founder and chief executive of Fon.

Without special software, like that from Fon, however, hotspots may not automatically set up a connection with the new phones. Instead, until the technology is smoothed out, users might have to configure their phones to connect whenever they are in range of a new hotspot.

“If it takes you five minutes to set up at the airport and you save 50 cents, why would you bother?” said Benoit Schillings, chief technology officer of Trolltech, an Oslo company developing software to make these connections easier.

Another wrinkle is that Wi-Fi networks operate over unlicensed radio spectrum. This spectrum is essentially public space, which means that anyone can make use of it, but it also means that the frequencies can be congested, potentially causing interference and dropped calls.

By contrast, the major cellphone carriers paid billions of dollars to the federal government for the right to use their slices of the radio spectrum. They can control who is on their networks, maintain quality standards and limit overcrowding. But the spectrum fees introduce a layer of costs that Wi-Fi calls are not burdened with.

Companies including Clearwire, founded by the cellphone pioneer Craig O. McCaw, are building subscribers-only wireless data networks using a technology called WiMax that has a much greater reach than Wi-Fi, and mobile phone service is part of their plans.

The hotspot technology has inspired a vigorous and complex discussion in the telecommunications world about how the traditional companies should react.

On its face, the technology would seem to present the carriers with a major problem. The more time subscribers spend connected to Wi-Fi hotspots, the less time and money they spend on the cell network.

Yet carriers also recognize that per-minute charges are falling across the industry, and that the loss of revenue they suffer if they allow people to switch onto a Wi-Fi network could be offset by attracting loyal subscribers who sometimes want to connect that way.

Further, some carriers argue that if people connect to Wi-Fi in their homes and offices, where there are close and reliable hotspots, they will enjoy connections that are better than those via cell towers and will not need standard phone lines. In a home, for example, the mobile phone could connect as effectively through Wi-Fi as traditional cordless phones do now to their base stations.

Larry Lang, general manager of the mobile wireless group at Cisco, said Wi-Fi would allow good service in people’s homes “without having to put up big cellphone towers in the neighborhood.” Cisco makes equipment that phone companies use to handle digitized calls.

Roger Entner, a telecommunications industry analyst with Ovum Research, said some carriers were still wary of Wi-Fi service. He said they were concerned that when hotspot reception was not good — whether at home or elsewhere — they would be blamed.

“The guys who don’t want it are predominately Verizon Wireless,” Mr. Entner said. They do not want a customer who is getting poor service at a hotspot “complaining that Verizon service is responsible,” he said.

A spokesman for Verizon Wireless, Jeff Nelson, said the company was looking at Wi-Fi service but had no plans to offer a product in this area. “At this point, we don’t see a great application for customers,” he said.

Further complicating the business discussion for the carriers are the incestuous ownership arrangements in the telecommunications world. For instance, Cingular Wireless is owned jointly by AT&T and BellSouth, while Verizon Wireless is part owned by Verizon Communications, the regional phone giant.

BellSouth, AT&T and Verizon Communications each have an interest in selling high-speed Internet access for homes and offices. If consumers have an incentive to set up wireless networks in their homes — networks that could be used for superior phone service — it could give them another reason to buy high-speed Internet access.

Of course, as many laptop users have discovered, Wi-Fi Internet access is not always something you pay for. Sometimes it is something you just find, as can be the case when people deliberately or unintentionally leave access points open and unsecured. The phones that work with Skype, and most likely others, will turn the free access point in a neighborhood café — or a neighbor’s house — into a miniature provider of phone service.

“It can be very open, decentralized,” said Mr. Entner of Ovum Research. But, he said, such a grass-roots infrastructure presents many challenges. For example, callers could get frustrated when the hotspot they are relying on for a connection stops working and there is no one to complain to.

Mr. Entner said, “You could knock on your neighbor’s door and say, ‘By the way, buddy, I’ve been bumming your Wi-Fi signal to make calls; please turn it back on.’ ”

John Markoff contributed reporting for this article.

Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company.



To: Mike Buckley who wrote (53997)7/29/2006 1:48:36 PM
From: GO*QCOM  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 197253
 
<The recommendation itself clearly weakens the company's control over the value chain just as I believe has happened now with Qualcomm> Long time share holder that I am makes me belive in QUALCOMM when it comes to the patent protected value chain and not some argument made by an employee of the court.These are complex matters and require a commissionary research panel to look into the infringment charges.Perhaps you missed the following published by brief. QUALCOMM Clears Up Misunderstandings Regarding the ITC Staff Attorney Briefing
prnewswire.com



To: Mike Buckley who wrote (53997)7/29/2006 4:13:17 PM
From: SKIP PAUL  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 197253
 
###If the Court does rule against Qualcomm, Qualcomm's control over its value chain will definitely be weakened.###

The patents being contested do not pertain to CDMA or RF functionality. As I understand it they pertain to non essential peripheral functionality that can easily be excluded if necessary.



To: Mike Buckley who wrote (53997)7/29/2006 4:58:47 PM
From: SKIP PAUL  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 197253
 
Mike,

Addendum to support my reply to your post in case you had not read it.

The first action to be heard in the patent dispute relates to a filing last year by BROADCOM before the International Trade Commission (ITC) alleging that Qualcomm infringed BROADCOM PATENTS. The PATENTS in question do not relate to the core code division multiple access (CDMA) wireless technology in which Qualcomm holds an unmatched IP position; nor do they relate to radio frequency (RF) transmission. Instead, the PATENTS relate to ancillary features that Qualcomm has built into its comprehensive chip-set architecture, including multimedia features and applications processing. It is our understanding that Qualcomm acquired some of this expertise in niche acquisitions made in past years. BROADCOM is a minor player in wireless basebands used in cellular phones, and has little presence in particular in 3G. But it is an industry leader in multimedia chips.

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To: Mike Buckley who wrote (53997)7/29/2006 5:03:41 PM
From: carranza2  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 197253
 
If you really cannot find anything more pleasant to do, like sorting your socks, you might wish to look at the public parts of the ITC BRCM vs. QCOM spat docket [no. 337-543]. Click into the "intelligent search" button, then insert 337-543 as the search term.

searchapp.usitc.gov

I look at the public documents to see if I can tease out any meaning out of them. I can't say that I can on this one, though I was disappointed to see that Q's lawyers lost a chance at a summary adjudication on one of the claims by missing a deadline. Not necessarily a big deal, but if Q is paying its lawyers upwards of $500-750 an hour, that should never happen.



To: Mike Buckley who wrote (53997)7/29/2006 7:11:27 PM
From: carranza2  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 197253
 
As far as 'value chain', it has always seemed to me to be a piece of corporate-speak with no concrete meaning. Double or triple speak signifying not much of anything. I don't know what it means, so I don't use it.

I asked Google to define it for me, and this is the result:

google.com

The term seems to mean whatever anyone wants it to mean.



To: Mike Buckley who wrote (53997)7/30/2006 8:49:17 PM
From: Eric L  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 197253
 
Value Chain 101 with No Primate Talk

Hi --Mike,

<< I haven't posted in a long time, probably years, but I do follow the message board daily. So, I'm going to pipe in on the discussion of Qualcomm's value chain. >>

Good to hear from you. Thanks for coming out of lurk mode and contributing here.

<< For the record, I have a very clear understanding of my concept of the value chain. It's based on a particular context that, years ago, our moderator told me I would be banned from posting if I discussed that context. >>

To be more precise, he politely asked you (all of us gamers) to refrain from discussing an investing theory popularized by Geoff Moore that borrowed heavily on Moore's own theories of corporate strategy which in many cases were derived from a foundation built by other corporate strategists or economists (e.g. Michael E. Porter, Charles Morris, Charles Ferguson, Carl Shapiro, Hal Varien, Gary Hamel).

Mike, would very much appreciate your taking the gorilla stuff off this thread. While you may be a fan, many here do not think much of it. I understand there are a few gorilla threads around for that type of discussion. thanks in advance for your cooperation. Ramsey

Message 16123499

I'm hopeful you didn't take offense to that. This board and its predecessor were created for valid reasons. Tight and focused.

He did not ask you (us) to refrain from discussing other theories on corporate strategy and competitive advantage that can be applied to investment analysis and in this case analysis of the competitive advantage that accrues to companies that successfully institute and execute well thought out value chain management for the company's products and services as a component of their overall corporate strategy.

In the subject that Ramsey asked you (us) not to pursue here, and which we shouldn't pursue here, you can search long and hard in Moore's single book on investing theory -- or his four books on corporate strategy -- and find scant reference to Intellectual Property, or IP business models, or IP strategy, but perhaps in your "concept of the value chain" you have extended Moore's thinking and/or Porters, to Mike Buckley's Value Chain 101. <g>

<< That's Value Chain 101 (not implying in the slightest that you don't already know that). >>

Value Chain 101 requires reading and comprehending Michael Porter's "Competitive Advantage" (1980) or chapter one of "Competitive Advantage: Creating and Sustaining Superior performance" (1985), and familiarity with his basic value chain models and concepts. Porter's basic model describes an industrial organization buying raw materials and transforming those into physical products with the assistance of others. Porter deals with the value chain that evolves around product and services, not the output of patent factories. The basic value chain models studied by almost every 'B' school grad student that has matriculated in the last 25 years are represented graphically here ...





Value Chain 102 gets into extensions of Porter's models and evolved theories of others, and into value chain analysis of the activities within and around an organization related to the relative competitive strength of that organization in its own industry, and that examination is something that an investor may indulge as part of ongoing fundamental analysis of a corporation he is invested in or considers investing in, along with more basic examinations of the balance sheet, income statement, forward looking statements, risk elements, hype3rbole filtration, and other basic economic and managerial data of the company -- but only if he so chooses (Carranza).

There's no reason Porter's value chain models and basic theory can not be extended, and they should be since as fundamental as they are to corporate strategy they are also dated, and if you want to extend them to relatively unique operators of technology patent factories like QUALCOMM and InterDigital (or Rambus in another sector) that shield themselves from cross licensing by not manufacturing the whole product on which royalties are traditionally paid in the mobile wireless industry, that's a perfectly legitimate exercise.

As an aside, I might add that in today's corporate world, incorporating an IP strategy, particularly if it is active and offensive, as opposed to passive and defensive, and an IP licensing strategy, into a more global corporate strategy that includes successful value chain management and supply chain management strategies, a major challenge is to make sure that the IP strategy does not negatively impact the traditional value chain strategy, and that it does not result in anti-competetive antitrust action of which QUALCOMM is now facing three: one in the US, Europe, and Asia.

My references to QUALCOMM's value chain in the post to which you responded, however, did not extend to those companies that simply license QUALCOMM's IP and pay royalties to QUALCOMM while championing an end to end technology platform and value added services that is in direct competition with QUALCOMM's proprietary access-mode technology, as important as that royalty flow obviously is to the value that QUALCOMM extracts from mobile wireless industry OEMs and ODMs.

As I attempted to point out, my references to the financial health and competitive positioning of QUALCOMM's value chain extended to the companies that actively assist QUALCOMM in developing, standardizing, and commercializing QUALCOMM's own proprietary (open and/or closed) technologies, manufacture and market those technologies, and who act as an extension of QUALCOMM's own R&D initiatives ...

... AND/OR those that use QUALCOMM product components (base station modems, mobile station modems, BREW, MediaFlo, other software, tools, etc.) in CDMA2000 or in a competitive non-proprietary technology developed in SDOs/SSOs -- in this case UMTS (WCDMA with the HSPA or HSPA+ extensions) or beyond that to OFDM/OFDMA based UMTS LTE.

<< I don't believe customers' earnings in and of themselves are a valid benchmark of the strength of a value chain. >>

I don't either, but they can't be, and shouldn't be ignored as they tend to be on this particular board. In conjunction with examining their financial health one needs to examine their comparative competitive positioning in the markets they pursue.

You'll be ecstatic that I'll skip stepping through any extended takeaways from close observation of the last two quarters earnings season for cdma based mobile handsets, systems, and wireless ICs, but I will simply say I saw little positive and several negatives from these key active members of QUALCOMM's value chain:

Infra: #1 Lucent, #2 Nortel
Handsets: #1 LG (units), #2 Samsung (units); #1 Samsung (units), #2 LG (units)
3G Chipsets: #1 TI (units and revenue ), #2 Qualcomm (un its) and revenue,

CDMA2000 infra spend is at a standstill, and both Lucent and Nortel are very weak UMTS (WCDMA) players. Lucent's abysmal quarter was directly attributable to that and in the L'Alcatel case, Serge "the Merge" of Alcatel (also a weak UMTS player) and Paris Pat are going to have to figure out how they allocate mobile wireless resources and to what degree they plan to prioritize CDMA2000 v, UMTS (WCDMA).

Nortel is now run by a brilliant executive that would have been my choice to captain QUALCOMM's family run business in the recent succession but they are simply treading water in 3G technologies. They are neither fish nor foul and have no requisite scale to survive in this industry. Mike Z., will however will probably find an angle.

An extremely healthy Ericsson is increasing its share of UMTS (WCDMA/HSPA) systems and will take advantage of the natural disruption that comes from the creation of the UMTS focused Nokia Siemens JV but unfortunately having voluntarily exited active participation in the QUALCOMM value chain they are leading the charge to annihilate CDMA2000. This is not done out of animosity, simply out of practical business sense.

Huawei is likely to be a major disruptive players in comms but they recognize that CDMA2000 is quickly becoming toast, and its impossible to assess the value of their UMTS focused JV with Moto at this stage.

LG had negative handset margins for the 2nd straight quarter as a result of attempting to retain share in both emerging markets and mature markets outside of Korea.

Samsung handset share is down because they refuse to compete in emerging markets and their operating margin is single digit because they are late with both GSM EDGE and 3GSM models which they focus on more heavily on than CDMA2000 models outside their domestic market.

As previously noted, Moto was the lone positive on the CDMA2000 handset side. It took considerable time but they finally appear to have mastered incorporating QUALCOMM's 1xRTT and 1xEV-DO MSMs into their basic 2.5G and 3G platforms.

Nokia of course just keeps increasing its global share in high margin high ASP UMTS (WEDGE) handsets, extending their utilization with legitimate 3G multimedia functionality which few others are doing, and distributing them on 2.5G (3G if you think 1xRTT is 3G) networks.

QUALCOMM is not yet putting a dent in TI's commanding lead in UMTS (WCDMA) baseband or applications processors whether integrated or standalone and the gap between TI's wireless IC revenue and QUALCOMM's continues to widen. Freescale appears to be holding its own and appears to have an improved offering close to commercial. QUALCOMM is probably taking some share from EMP(status of the U350/U360 somewhat uncertain), NEC, and Agere, but they remain way short of their potential, and woefully short of the expectations they set for investors in 2003, 2004, 2005.

I could go on but I won't. Applause please ... <g>

<< As one person implied, we need to determine the causes of earnings trends before concluding anything about them. >>

¿¿¿ Say what? Skip the mumbo-jumbo, please. You either do that or you don't. ???

If you haven't done it, you aren't up to speed. If you have, please elucidate.

That's what I attempt to do for myself. What do you do? Hopefully you don't assess the market by simply lurking this board on a daily basis or praying to Yahweh, the Confucius, or IMJ. If your window to the mobile wireless world is this board you are as hobbled out of the gate as my neighbor Barbaro was in the Preakness.

That is basically why anyone with a substantial investment in one or more players in mobile wireless comms equipment or mobile wireless ICs who actively manages his own portfolio should -- to the degree he has the time to devote to it -- listen to the quarterly earnings CCs of the industry's market leaders and major players or at the very least examines their earnings presentations and releases, and scan financial analysts reports available through his brokers. If time is limited financial message boards like this can help, but it requires setting substantial noise filtering.

<< As just one simple example, if the world economy goes into a recession that causes the total earnings of Qualcomm's customers to decrease, that cause-and-effect scenario is not an indication of a weakening value chain. Similarly, if macro economics cause all of its customers to enjoy increasing earnings, that is not an indication of a strengthening value chain. >>

The bandwidth bubble bust that Skip referred to occurred in, and helped cause the Y2K meltdown of 2000. The telecom recession trough which followed the evaporation of capital necessary to building out 3G infrastructure occurred in mid 2002, and since then the sector has witnessed some rather spectacular recovery plays -- by Ericsson, Motorola, and QUALCOMM (even Lucent and Nortel, at least momentarily until reality dawned), in 2002 to 2004, and by TI and Nokia in 2004 to 2005.

<< The single strongest evidence for me of Qualcomm's strengthening value chain is exactly what Jim Mullens repeatedly mentions -- the number of end users that will increase as WCDMA adoption spreads throughout the world. In fact, were it not for that significantly important part of the value chain, I wouldn't be a long-term investor in Qualcomm. >>

It is heartening to see Jim and others championing and rooting for a technology that directly competes with QUALCOMM's proprietary implementation of Hedy and George's invention. That's quite a turn around from the tenor of posts to these various boards from 1999 to 2003.

It's perfectly understandable, but still ironic to observe the number of posts here on a board that established a set of commonsensical rules to keep posts to a minimum but informative, deriding the companies that contributed the most to commercializing UMTS (WCDMA) and making its hypergrowth a reality and ahead of any realistic schedule one could imagine-- Ericsson, Nokia, TI, Matsushita and NEC, who are 5 of the protagonists in the ECCC complaint, as well as Freescale, Siemens, and Motorola. This despite all QUALCOMM's efforts to delay UMTS (WCDMA) and substitute their proprietary alternative.

<< You mention that Nokia is not a valued member of Qualcomm's value chain. I wish it were a more valued member but, for me, to say that it isn't a valued member doesn't stand up to scrutiny. >>

You are entitled to that opinion but your opinion and the foundation for it you have conferred doesn't yet pass my smell test, so best we call it a draw or simply agree to disagree. <ggg>

Alternatively if you care to expand and can organize your thoughts more coherently, please have at it.

<< If it were not a valued member, Qualcomm wouldn't be working so hard to renew the agreement that expires next year. >>

If they don't renew the agreement, while they may not be out of the chipset business, they will most certainly be infringing Nokia's IP in GSM, EDGE, WCDMA, HSPA while they continue chipset manufacturing operations and they have already acknowledged that, and potentially also in CDMA where Nokia has an active licensing program which they are well aware of.

They will mutually agree to renew the agreement, although in my humble opinion they won't do it by its expiration, leaving a cloud that will affect QCOM's valuation --- more than Nokia's.

<< The "hefty royalties" that you mention paid by Nokia to Qualcomm make it a valued member. >>

I think I acknowledged the significance of Nokia's royalty payments to QUALCOMM's value extraction from them, even while specifically and in my mind, justifiably, excluding them as active participants in QUALCOMM's value chain, just as I also specifically excluded Ericsson, arguably the two most influential players in mobile wireless telephony today.

<< Conversely, Nokia is working so hard to negotiate a renewed agreement because part of its revenues depend on Qualcomm's success. >>

Absolutely no part of Nokia's revenues, with the exception of a rather insignificant amount of low margin revenue derived from CDMA2000, are dependent on QUALCOMM's success. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

OTOH, it is an absolute imperative for Nokia to renegotiate a license for QUALCOMM IP because while LG has refrigerators, washers, and dryers, to fall back on if they can't maintain a sustainable and financially viable CDMA2000 business, Nokia doesn't, and Nokia is not going to be able to manufacture multimode UMTS (WCDMA) equipment and possibly even GSM equipment without a QUALCOMM license.

<< Otherwise, it would walk away from the current agreement. >>

It is walking away from part of it, as a byproduct of ramping down its CDMA2000 initiatives.

<< We won't see press releases from Nokia indicating their gratefulness for Qualcomm's success, but in the vernacular of value chains, Nokia is silently grateful. >>

I confess to having missed the origin of that vernacular in Value Chain 101 and 102, 201, and 202, so if you care to cite verse and source, whether it be Moore, or Porter, or other, I will have learned something, and benefited from the exchange.

I catch your drift, however, so I think it might be perfectly appropriate to say that QUALCOMM is 'silently grateful' for Nokia's outstanding success in UMTS (WCDMA).

<< I doubt that I'll participate in any extended discussion about this, so please don't be offended if indeed this is my one and only post on the subject. Instead, be grateful. :) >>

--Mike, while it's always a pleasure to dialogue with you, and I've sincerely missed doing so of late, I will neither be offended nor grateful if you post no further here on this subject, and extended discussions of Value Chain 101, or 202 -- even if they apply to QUALCOMM -- are probably best made where Ramsey suggested discussions of Moore's investment theory be made.

Please don't blush but I do consider you to be one of the premier long-time contributors to SI and TMF investing boards, and in addition to learning from you, our dialogues in the past have helped me sharpen my own investment thinking, and in several instances modifying it.

Apologies in advance for long sentences. Feel free to punctuate.

Cheers,

- Eric