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To: Thomas M. who wrote (253)	7/31/2006 12:39:02 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1695

Before Israel declared statehood, they began a campaign of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in 1947. The Arab armies intervened and put a stop to much of that. That may be true- -IF you consider taking back at gunpoint land you previously legally sold "ethnic cleansing". As far as Arabs leaving what is now Israel, they did so at the encouragement and guarantee of the surrounding Arab gov'ts who were ENTIRELY certain they could overrun the Jews in their invasion- -and entirly wrong. I defy you to come up with a verifiable example of "ethnic cleansing" committed by the Jews. Many Arabs- -those who did not listen the Arab gov'ts siren call to leave and believe the guarantee of those governments that they would get their land back and more once the Arab armies had defeated the Jews- -are now Israeli citizens. And let me point out those Arab gov't stuck the Arabs leaving Israel in refugee camps, rather than integrating them into their population. They have had 50 years to fix the mess the created and refused to do so. The problem may finally have been solved by the ISRAELIS by giving the Palestinians their own state. This, of course, was done with the understanding the refugees would not attack Israel, a condition they have already violated. And what of those boundary lines drawn by the UN in the division of Palestine? Are you going to claim the Arab armies did not cross them? Doing so is prime facie an act of war. Speaking of acts of war, blockade is an act to war under international law. When Egypt closed the Suez Canal to Israeli shipping following its illegal seizure of the canal, it committed an act of war against Israel. You wish to pick an choose your events to make up a fairy tale that delights you. The same situation exists in many other places in the world- -it exists at the entrance and exit of the Sea of Marmara. Were the Turks to close the entrance or exit to the sea to any nation that must use it to get to its ports, it would have committed an act of war against that nation. During the Cuban Missile Crisis, the US was very careful to refer to what it was doing as an "arms embargo" and not a blockade. Had it declared a blockade. it would have committed an act of war against Cuba and its ally, the Soviet Union and reached precisely the position it was trying very hard to avoid. But if you wish to carry forward grudges indefinitely, what is your plan? You are going to have to leave US territory since we "took" it from the Native Americans. Of course, you have to ignore the fact that they took it from other Native Americans who took it from..... Israel kept the Sinai after the 1967 war to guarantee that Egypt would have to fight on its own territory if it attacked again.