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To: XBrit who wrote (194261)	8/1/2006 4:39:40 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 281500

They patiently waited out the problem and eventually, after 20 years, the situation has been calmed down and is moving into the past. Completely different situation. Utterly. Both England and Ireland wanted to the troubles to stop. Now imagine a situation where Ireland's stated aim was to conquer Northern Ireland and England, and reconvert them to Catholicism, and to that end they paid the IRA $100 million a year to shell Protestant areas of Northern Ireland and England. Still think patience would have paid off?

To: XBrit who wrote (194261)	8/1/2006 4:48:19 AM
From: kumar	Respond to of 281500

Along those lines, the patience and efforts on bot sides between 1857 and 1947 in India is remarkable, tho the solution had some very serious downsides...

To: XBrit who wrote (194261)	8/1/2006 8:24:20 AM
From: jttmab	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The English government moved carefully and always responded proportionately. They patiently waited out the problem and eventually, after 20 years, the situation has been calmed down and is moving into the past. This is the only lasting way to solve insurgencies. It was more than patience. I think the real progress came with a shift of British policy. 1.They shifted more of the enforcement to Northern Ireland and reduced the obvious British presence. 2. They recognized some of the opposition as having a political voice. They were willing to talk to the "bad guys". 3. They didn't let the fanatics derail the process. jttmab

To: XBrit who wrote (194261)	8/1/2006 10:34:00 AM
From: Proud_Infidel	Respond to of 281500

Re: The current US and Israeli administrations do not have the patience to do the right thing, and the inevitable result will be a spiral into regional chaos. So no blame for the Hezbollah fighters who crossed the border and kidnapped the soldiers and started this whole mess? They bear none of the responsibility? As for "proportionality" in wartime, if the USA (and Britain) had adhered to this crazy theory in WW2, we would all probably be speaking German right now.