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To: Lane3 who wrote (25689)8/1/2006 9:40:55 AM
From: Dale Baker  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 541875
 
I am trying to imagine a presidential candidate standing at the podium of a national debate and saying:

"We face a long, strange, painful, surreal and endless conflict. We kind of know who it is against but we really have no idea how to change them, except to kill as many as we can and hope the others get the message. Do we have enough military manpower and resources to accomplish that? Who knows. But we're not likely to get anywhere near an actual resolution of this surreal conflict for many decades, so it probably doesn't matter very much."

Now that is what I find surreal, preaching a war policy on those grounds.



To: Lane3 who wrote (25689)8/1/2006 12:48:18 PM
From: TimF  Respond to of 541875
 
"Five days after Operation Litani began, UN Security Council Resolution 425 called upon Israel to: "withdraw forthwith its forces from all Lebanese territory." One might take note of the use of the word "all" in the UN Resolution, which had been missing from the UN Security Council Resolution 242, and the absence of which had led to the dispute mentioned above. On May 22, 2000, [1], more than 22 years after Resolution 425 was adopted, Israel withdrew its troops from southern Lebanon. Lebanon disputed Israel's compliance, and claimed the Shebaa farms area, occupied since 1967, was actually Lebanese, and that the Israelis should therefore withdraw from there as well.

This appeared to be the first time Lebanon had claimed the area to be Lebanese. And their evidence was contradicted by all published maps, which showed the area to be within Syria. The United Nations agreed with Israel's view that the area is not covered by United Nations UN Security Council Resolution 425, which governed the withdrawal from Lebanon, and the UN certified Israel's pullout [2], while declaring that their decision was "without prejudice to future border agreements between the Member States concerned"."

...

The United Nations has stated:

"On 15 May 2000, the United Nations received a map, dated 1966, from the Government of Lebanon which reflected the Government's position that these farmlands were located in Lebanon. However, the United Nations is in possession of 10 other maps issued after 1966 by various Lebanese government institutions, including the Ministry of Defense and the army, all of which place the farmlands inside the Syrian Arab Republic. The United Nations has also examined six maps issued by the Government of the Syrian Arab Republic, including three maps since 1966, which place the farmlands inside the Syrian Arab Republic."[6]

en.wikipedia.org

Also from that link -

Hezbollah spokesperson Hassan Ezzedin had this to say about the area: "If they go from Sheba'a, we will not stop fighting them. Our goal is to liberate the 1948 borders of Palestine...[Jews] can go back to Germany or wherever they came from.” New Yorker, (October 14, 2002).

en.wikipedia.org