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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (298051)	8/2/2006 10:08:33 PM
From: SilentZ	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573902

Responding to Zeev (this one's a bear; I wish someone would tell him about the Enter key): >think about 67, when that territory fell into Israel's hand. It fell in its hands because a triumvirate (Egypt, Syria and Jordan, with an additional two Iraqi divisions) declared that they will eliminate Israel and drive its Jewish population into the sea. It didn't quite fall into Israel's hands... many Israelis always dreamed of reuniting Jerusalem, and they grabbed the opportunity. And why, despite a war, do they get to grab land that other people live on? It's not like the West Bank and Gaza were unoccupied by people. Jumping to the most important point: >But there is a simple fact that some 4 MM Palestinians which until 1967, never dreamed of a state nor committed any intifada against Jordan for such a state (though, they did try to take over Jordan itself) are now asking for national self determination. Why does this matter? The fact is that they live there, have done so for centuries, and Israel will not give them equal rights as citizens, so they've gotta have a state or for their land to be incorporated by a state that will give them those rights. >Barak, and a great majority of Israeli said fine, here are the lines, and to compensate for some line straightening, offered equivalent amount of land in what was pre 1967 Israel. Yes, but Israel was keeping enough land in those areas that 1. the Palestinian state would be barely contiguous, 2. Israel would keep control of the West Bank's water, and 3. Arafat was an asshole. >The condition, Arafat acts as Ben Gurion did in 1948, disarm all fringe military groups, and have all military organizations within Palestine subservient to one civilian government. Fearing a civil war, or his own assassination by his extremists, Arafat missed that opportunity. I don't think that Israel should handle the fringe groups in the west bank, it is the duty of the Palestinians to do so now,. If they cannot, then they cannot assure (once they gain statehood) that they will control the border and prevent hate crime across the border by its citizens and fringe groups. Until they show they can control their own, there will not be a Palestinian state. The longer they wait, the more entrenched will be settlements within what could be come a Palestinian state and thus the smaller foot print such a state might have. The writing is on the wall, every time Palestinian leaders miss an opportunity to make peace with Israel, they end up with a smaller foot print for their eventual state. When are they going to learn history? I'm sorry, no matter how much the Palestinian leadership fks up or fks around, it doesn't give Israel the right to take land that belongs to the people. They're just pawns. -Z