To: Cage Rattler who wrote (746933 ) 8/4/2006 7:54:03 AM From: DuckTapeSunroof Respond to of 769670 Re: "Would civil war in Iraq necessarily be a bad thing?" No, I don't believe so at all. For one thing, only a political/military decision that is reached by the locals will likely have any credibility in the region --- so, there is *that* going for it: a civil war will ultimately clarify and resolve many things (who lives where, spheres of influence for the local nations, balance of power between Sunni and Shi'a ambitions, etc.) For another... it could expedite the achievement of 'Western' goals: Democracy, liberty, rule-of-law, etc. (Not to mention getting the US out of the cross-hairs and stopping this monster drain upon our resources.... Why spend another half Trillion dollars we don't have fighting and dying when you can achieve Western goals more reliably, and at much lower cost, by just getting out of the middle?) ------------------------------------------------ Civil war is obviously on the trajectory (and has been for a while now....) Not necessarily a bad thing, (as I've pointed out on numerous occasions), as far as Western interests go... or even Middle Eastern 'interests' (in the long-run) if you believe as I do in the virtues of Democracy, rule-of-law, individual liberties, and religious toleration: what is already in motion would continue until it resolved itself: a proxy civil war between the Sunni Islamic nations (Saudi Arabia and it's W'habbist extremists / al Qaeda types, Pakistan, regressive Gulf monarchies, etc.) and the Shiite Islamic nations (Iran and it's radical Islamicists, the majority Shiite 'nation' of Iraq, minorities elsewhere, etc.) It is also notable to mention that most of the oil rich Gulf nations (such as Saudi Arabia & Kuwait) are pumping oil from areas with downtrodden local Shiite majority populations.... Radicalism will be turned on radicalism (& AWAY from US!)... until the radicals on both sides are ultimately killed off, purged, discredited. The long-delayed Islamic Reformation will finally be birthed.