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To: michael97123 who wrote (195102)8/4/2006 9:16:31 PM
From: Wharf Rat  Respond to of 281500
 
By me, ethnic.

Anti-Semitism and the definition of Jew
Although there are many reasons that the definition of Jewishness is important within the Jewish community, the question of "who is a Jew?" has often been used by anti-Semites as a precursor to persecution or discrimination against Jews as an ethnic group.

The Nazis, for example, ruled that anyone with one Jewish grandparent was either a Jew or a Mischling, and therefore subject to persecution (see Nuremberg Laws). Similarly, Neo-Nazis and modern anti-Semites often attempt to trace the ancestry of individuals to determine the existence of "Jewish blood" in a family tree, rather like the racist efforts to identify individuals with "African blood" in recent American history.

Sensitivity over the historical and present use of the definition of Jewishness for the purposes of ethnic persecution makes some Jews uncomfortable when discussing the topic outside of the context of religious identity.

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Views of secular philosophers
Jean-Paul Sartre, not a Jew himself, suggested in Anti-Semite and Jew (1948) that Jewish identity "is neither national nor international, neither religious nor ethnic, nor political: it is a quasi-historical community." While Jews as individuals may be in danger from the anti-Semite who sees only "Jews" and not "people", Sartre argues that the Jewish experience of anti-Semitism preserves – even creates – the sense of Jewish community. In his most extreme statement of this view he wrote, "It is the anti-Semite who creates the Jew." Conversely, that sense of specific Jewish community may be threatened by the democrat who sees only "the person" and not "the Jew".

Hannah Arendt repeatedly asserted a principle of claiming Jewish identity in the face of anti-Semitism. "If one is attacked as a Jew, one must defend oneself as a Jew. Not as a German, not as a world-citizen, not as an upholder of the Rights of Man, or whatever"; "A man attacked as a Jew cannot defend himself as an Englishman or a Frenchman. The world can only conclude from this that he is simply not defending himself at all."
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To: michael97123 who wrote (195102)8/5/2006 3:53:32 PM
From: Hawkmoon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
There are many Jews like me out there but we do know we are a unique people and i think more than any other event the holocaust has created that kind of identification.

I hear you.. I'm not Jewish, but I am not inclined to favor the genocide of any people.. Whether it be Jews at the hands of Arabs, or Arabs at the hands of Jews.

Fortunately, the Jews haven't given me much reason to credibly believe they are orchestrating a genocide of Arabs.

Hawk