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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (195120)	8/4/2006 10:32:59 PM
From: GST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<I don't expect it to go anywhere now> Twenty years from today, Israel is most likely going to be a nuclear ashtray. Get used to the idea -- the final tragedy of a remarkable people who had no talent whatsoever for public relations.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (195120)	8/5/2006 2:25:18 AM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi Nadine Carroll; Re: "If Israel survived 1948, I don't expect it to go anywhere now." The USSR survived 1941 but I don't see it around anymore. Israel is a lot smaller and weaker, and far worse out numbered. But the main lesson you should be picking up from this is that the American people are slowly beginning to doubt Israel's ability to survive. And simple observations suggest that we can't expect much help from the Israelis. The next step in the logic is fairly hard to avoid. Why should the US keep pouring treasure into Israel (a) when we get nothing in return except the most effective way we've found yet to piss off the Moslem community, and (b) Israel is hopeless anyway? You recognize the fact that to survive, Israel must win EVERY war it gets involved in. You should add on to this that Israel must maintain US financial and military support FOREVER. When the US population decides that an ally isn't doing us any good, and isn't that likely to be around forever, the US eventually cuts off the ally. It's not going to be this coming election or even the one after that, but eventually you will see the US tire of supporting Israel and dumping her the same way the US dumped South Africa. And then? Maybe Europe will rescue you. But more likely you'll make a deal with the Arabs similar to the deal that the white South Africans made. Surely this must be something you've thought about. If it hasn't, then google the news on "Mel Gibson". Israeli support in the US is slowly decaying. Attitudes that would have been nearly impossible to find back in 1967 are becoming more and more common. For a very long time, the number of Jewish immigrants to the US was much much larger than the number of Arab immigrants. As the Jews intermarry and mix with the US population, while more and more Arabs move here, the ratio steadily moves away from the Jewish advantage. US attitudes towards foreign countries have, throughout our history, been related to the number of citizens closely connected to those foreign countries, so having this ratio move towards the Arabs means that US foreign policy moves the same way. This is the other demographic disaster that Israel cannot overcome. The long term trends are simply not in Israel's favor. It may only be on the horizon, but Israel has to retain US support FOREVER. -- Carl