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To: Thomas M. who wrote (822)8/10/2006 10:23:37 PM
From: epicureRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 1695
 
I'd like to read more about Israel's military installations being surrounded by civilians. That certainly hasn't been in the news much- obviously the censorship laws might have something to do with that.



To: Thomas M. who wrote (822)8/11/2006 1:06:59 PM
From: Brumar89Respond to of 1695
 
So Hezbollah is a truth-telling organization with high moral standards?

Anderson Cooper of CNN, via The Corner has this to say about their propaganda efforts:

While on the Hezbollah side, it’s really interesting — I was in Beirut, and they took me on this sort of guided tour of the Hezbollah- controlled territories in southern Lebanon that were heavily bombed. They are much cruder, obviously. They don’t have the experience in this kind of thing. But they clearly want the story of civilian casualties out. That is their — what they’re heavily pushing, to the point where on this tour I was on, they were just making stuff up. They had six ambulances lined up in a row and said, OK, you know, they brought reporters there, they said you can talk to the ambulance drivers. And then one by one, they told the ambulances to turn on their sirens and to zoom off, and people taking that picture would be reporting, I guess, the idea that these ambulances were zooming off to treat civilian casualties, when in fact, these ambulances were literally going back and forth down the street just for people to take pictures of them.
Ed Lasky 8 10 06

americanthinker.com

Some more insights from CNN on Hezbollah:

CNN transcript here

I think what's been lost in a lot of this coverage is just how anti-Semitic Hezbollah is in the rhetoric.

JEFFREY GOLDBERG, "THE NEW YORKER": Yes, it's absolutely fascinating, Anderson. The anti-Semitism -- there's two things that are fascinating, rather. One is how embedded in the core of Hezbollah ideology, anti-Semitism is. And I don't mean anti-Israel thinking or anti-Zionism. I mean frank anti-Semitism.

The other thing that's so interesting about it is how blunt they are and how frank they are about their anti-Semitism. They don't hide it. They don't try to mask it in any way. They state very openly to you when you ask their exact feelings about Jews, which are quite extreme.


COOPER: It's interesting because I talked to a representative news editor from al-Manar TV, and I asked him, you know, does Hezbollah still want to destroy the state of Israel? And I know Larry King has asked him that same question, and he rarely -- he basically doesn't answer that question. He sort of seems to avoid it. Which is so at odds because I mean Nasrallah himself is very point blank and matter of fact and open about his hatred of Jews.


islamophobic.blogspot.com

And some more on Hezbollah's military policies vis-a-vis civilians:

Hezbollah's Christian 'shields'
ReligionAndSpirituality.com

WASHINGTON, August 3 (UPI) — A U.S. Christian group is accusing Hezbollah of using Christian villages in Lebanon to shield its military operations against Israel.

Christian Solidarity International said Wednesday in a news release that Hezbollah, a Shia Muslim group supported by Iran, in southern Lebanese Christian villages, such as Ain Ebel, Rmeish, Alma Alshaab and others are being used by Hezbollah terrorists for launching missile attacks.

"Hezbollah is repeating the same pattern that it practiced against Israel in 1996," says former South Lebanese Army commander, Col. Charbel Barkat. "Hezbollah is hiding among civilian populations and launching attacks behind human shields."

A Christian from the village of Ain Ebel, who is nameless because he fears retribution by Hezbollah, discovered Hezbollah guerillas were setting up a launcher to fire Katyusha rockets from the rooftop of his home. Ignoring his pleas to stop, they fired the missiles. He immediately gathered his family and fled home, which indeed was bombed and destroyed 15 minutes later by an Israeli air strike.

In addition to having their homes commandeered for launching Hezbollah's attacks, there have been attempts to obstruct Christians from fleeing their villages. On Saturday, July 28, Hezbollah fighters fired upon Christians fleeing Rmeish with their families, wounding two, according to Christian sources in south Lebanon.

Meanwhile, Sami El-Khoury, president of the World Maronite Union, says that reports on Christian support for Hezbollah are misleading.

"Contrary to Western press reports, indicating high percentages of Christian support for Hezbollah, 90 percent of Christians, 80 percent of Sunni and 40 percent of Shiites in Lebanon oppose Hezbollah," says El-Khoury.


religionandspiritualityforum.com



To: Thomas M. who wrote (822)8/11/2006 5:02:20 PM
From: TimFRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 1695
 
If a Hezbollah rocket slams into an Israeli town with a weapons factory, should we count that as an attack on civilians or on a military site?

Considering that at range they can't hope to hit anything smaller than the town you could say the attack is indiscriminate. Yes if they reign rockets down on all of Northern Israel they might hit something of strategic significance but I don't think that this fact is enough to consider the attack to even possibly be aimed at a military target.

There are towns and villages around Israeli military bases and arms factories. There are also towns around many American military bases and most arms factories are located in the vicinity of at least a town, not all by themselves miles from anything. And Israel is much smaller than the US. That isn't "cowardly blending" its the natural consequence of soldiers living off base, and people selling things to soldiers (on or off base), and to the people who move there to sell things or provide services to the soldiers etc. Also the civilians and military are not right on top of each other during war time. The civilians are sent to shelters because the Israeli government wants them to live, while the Hezbollah wants civilians on both sides to die. If Israeli civilians die they can claim success, and hurt Israel. If Lebanese civilians die because Hezbollah is in effect using them as human shield then Hezbollah spreads anger and resentment towards Israel.