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To: orkrious who wrote (68070)8/11/2006 10:58:16 AM
From: ild  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 110194
 
Hambone -- trotsky, 10:32:20 08/11/06 Fri
a bit baffled, yes, but as i said before, i'm willing to give the bull the benefit of the doubt. you're of course right that the market will only really show its hand by September when everybody's back. nevertheless, the fact is that currently, the technical picture doesn't really look bad - we're above all the important moving averages, the ma's are rising, we've built a triangle in gold and the HUI - at worst a neutral formation - and at the same time, bullish sentiment is non-existent. this latter fact is encouraging because it's contrary to the short term trend. i define the short term trend as what has happened since the June correction low. we're going up since that low was made - in fits and starts, without any terribly convincing strong short term moves, but up nonetheless.
the rest of the market is holding us back here, but sentiment is very lopsided there as well (which argues for some sort of short term bounce not being far away).

IDT -- trotsky, 10:17:48 08/11/06 Fri
there is little doubt that the inflationary fiat money system encourages malinvestment. however, i still take issue with your reservations. note that private capital will tend to gravitate toward those areas of investment that promise the highest rates of return. the fact that a lot of capital is misled by the false signals emitted by the artificial booms created by monetary policy does not change the fact that voluntary exchanges are beneficial.

as to "I would argue that these Austrian economics principals taken individually make sense, but collectively they won't operate as expected because the system isn't operating as a free market in the way that Austrian economics is intended to function."

what makes sense individually ALWAYS makes sense on a macro level as well. why would economic laws become inoperable just because the scale looked at is bigger? it is true that the system as it's operated isn't a truly free market, but it is at least PARTIALLY free. also, just because the system overall isn't a truly free market, doesn't mean that the laws of economics cease to function. every little bit of economic freedom will enhance our standard of living over time, regardless of the system's overall state. let us for argument's sake assume that because we have noticed that the system overall isn't as free as it should be, we decide to stop all international trade (this is the logical conclusion of protectionist doctrine - if hampering trade a 'little bit' is good, then stopping it altogether must be just grand). that way we'd be consistent, since then there would be even less economic freedom. should we expect that this would make us richer? i doubt it, or rather, i'm absolutely certain that it would have the opposite effect (this is a case where one can already point to real life examples, such as Smooth-Hawley).

@pm sentiment -- trotsky, 09:50:04 08/11/06 Fri
not surprisingly, the Rydex pm fund had another outflow yesterday, erasing the inflows of the previous day. as a result, the cash flow ratio remains mired at a 42 month low - iow, Rydex traders remain more bearish than at both the 2004 and 2005 lows.
well, so we have lots of bears, or rather, a dearth of bulls. there's only one thing conspicuously still amiss - namely a decline in pm shares. for some reason, it just ain't happening thus far.

@rotten eggs -- trotsky, 07:44:20 08/11/06 Fri
this article (linked below) was posted here yesterday, but i thought it worthwhile to draw everyone's attention to it again. for one thing, it is very refreshing to see an Indian money manager putting the India story into perspective. i have always harbored considerable doubt about recent economic progress there - knowing what a slow-moving corrupt moloch India's vast bureaucracy is, and what a bunch of thugs its politicians (certain historical figures excepted of course) by and large are (Raja, correct me if i'm wrong).
anyway, one little remark struck me as especially noteworthy:

"...In every western country there has been some political backlash against the job outsourcing to India, even though, according to a report of McKinsey, for every dollar of work outsourced to India, the U.S. gains $1.12-$1.14."

and so it is with free trade and outsourcing generally - we GAIN more than we LOSE. the reason why most people think othwerwise is that they are not thinking things through. there are both SEEN and UNSEEN effects in every economic transaction. the rule by which one can determine if, on the whole, a transaction is likely to be beneficial, is whether it is entered into voluntarily.
the major unseen effect of outsourcing of course is the money SAVED and thus employed ELSEWHERE. by losing the jobs outsourced to India, capital is freed up for better use, creating new - and presumably better - jobs in new industries. why anyone would believe that the increasing division of labor is suddenly a 'bad thing' just because it has gone global is truly beyond me.

of course this rational approach is not a vote-winner, which is why many politicians , eyes firmly fixed on YOUR wallet, will utter platitudes about 'fair trade' and the like. it's an appeal to the public's emotions - xenophobia and protectionism ALWAYS sell.

rotten eggs article

this post wouldn't be complete without Bastiat's famous petition of the candle-stick makers - who want to outlaw the sun, since its rays are impertinently imported FOR FREE - which naturally hurts domestic producers of candle-sticks, lanterns, street lamps, etc.

Bastiat's petition of the candle-stick makers
bastiat.org

Hambone@CAU -- trotsky, 14:30:21 08/10/06 Thu
certainly the value of McDonalds has been wrung out of it (the Monatana deposit they lost to the anti-cyanide regs). in the meantime however, they had excellent drilling results at Briggs, plus they still own an extensive portfolio of exploration properties, some of which have been farmed out into a uranium exploration JV. anyway, it has potential, thus the valuation. there's a number of stocks floating on their potential - see e.g. VGZ.



To: orkrious who wrote (68070)8/11/2006 3:12:55 PM
From: ild  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 110194
 
Hambone@measuring sentiment -- trotsky, 13:39:31 08/11/06 Fri
we've talked about this before, on the old kitco forum. to me, quantitative measures are more important than anecdotal ones, for the obvious reason that they measure actual money bets as opposed to opinions.
even so, anecdotal sentiment has its place as well...but i don't detect a surfeit of bullishness on message boards either (to the extent that i look at them). there's a lot of doubt, and for every bull you find at least one person calling for a correction (or expressing happiness to be out of the market whenever we have a down day).
considering that the sector has essentially moved sideways over the past few weeks this is more or less normal.
regarding long term bullishness, since the long term trend has been up to date, there's no reason to abandon it. should the long term uptrend be broken at some point in the future, then there would be good reason to revise that stance, but not before.

Hambone@sentiment -- trotsky, 12:44:53 08/11/06 Fri
well, that's why i made the point that in the gold sector, sentiment is actually CONTRARY to the prevailing short term trend at the moment. and it is so in an extreme manner - it's not normal to see fewer bulls NOW than at the 2005 low, at the end of an 17-month long cyclical bear market , when gold and gold stocks are in fact at a pretty high level.
meanwhile, in the broader market, this excessive bearish sentiment is at odds with the size of the actual downturn, which was minuscule - not even a 10% correction.
the comparison with the bullish sentiment extremes seen at the tail end of the biggest market mania of all time - after the market had gone up for nearly 26 years - is not really applicable imo.
sentiment must always be put into context - i see no clear trend anywhere that justifies such sentiment extremes. even if there WERE a clear down trend, i would probably call for an imminent bounce in view of such lopsided sentiment.

Hambone@general market sentiment -- trotsky, 12:13:17 08/11/06 Fri
there are also too many bears. for instance, the cash flow ratio of all Rydex bear funds combined plus the implied money market cash flows stand close to a record high. the CBOE put/call ratio 10-dma actually hit an all time high in the May-June correction. lastly, the AAII poll has recorded more bears than bulls for 13 consecutive weeks.
now, the market has been weak, so a certain amount of bearishness should be expected. however, the technical damage of the correction was no different from that seen in previous corrections since the March '03 low. compared to THAT, this amount of bearishness is excessive.