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To: bela_ghoulashi who wrote (176164)	8/11/2006 2:00:15 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793639

Well, if you don't believe in a war, then you obviously would be more inclined to want to see it end sooner rather than later. I am only hearing the very far left calling for immediate withdrawal, though. Most people realize what a disaster that would be in all ways. My personal opinion is that we have to stay, since we have caused such a mess there and owe it to them to assist in gaining as much stability as possible before we leave, but I would love for the IRaqi to be strong enough to ask us to leave. But I have no idea why you see withdrawal from Iraq as a prelude to doing nothing. Do you believe war opponents are opposed to other ways of tracking and destroying terrorism? To strenghtening our borders, our security methods, our surveillance? That false dichotomy is one of my main objections to the way war opponents are being characterized. It is not IRAQ or NOTHING.

To: bela_ghoulashi who wrote (176164)	8/11/2006 2:20:22 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793639

No alternate proposals or solutions from any of them, aside from more or less immediate withdrawal, which is the obvious prelude to doing nothing. I think that part of that is legitimate. Say you have a football team that can't get anything going and is losing badly. You look to replace the coach with the general manager and ask him for a gameplan. He can readily articulate a gameplan he would have used had he been coaching the whole game. But what ideas does he have for pulling out a victory now that they are down by fifty points, their quarterback got knocked out of the game after he was put in to run back a punt, and their defense is exhausted? Can you fairly criticize him for not having a gameplan on the tip of his tongue to recover from that? If, when put on the spot, he yammers vacantly a bit about how dumb the previous gameplan was? Sure, it's not useful to present what he would have done differently had he been coaching from the beginning. We have to play the cards we are dealt and move forward. But if the situation has already been rendered all but hopeless, it doesn't seem fair to beat on him too much for not having a miracle to offer.