To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (13239 ) 8/12/2006 12:32:26 PM From: Lazarus_Long Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 20039 You wouldn't know science if it came up and kicked you in ***, Reilly. Those posts work for me. But since you have trouble reading, here you are: #1: ===================================================== Melting temperatures: Tungsten 6000 F - but steel ain't tungsten - 3350 C Steel - 2000-3000 F- -that's 1100 to 1600 C216.239.39.104 . Here: types of steel % OF STRENGTH AT ROOM TEMPERATURE Temperature Mild Cold drawn High strength (degree C) Steel prestressing alloy bars 20 100 100 100 100 102 97 98 200 115 94 102 300 112 80 97 400 82 55 82 500 55 34 60 600 30 16 38 700 20 8 20ou.edu So steel has lost 80% of its room temp strength by 700 c which is 1400 F which is less than the combuxtion temp of Kerosene. So much for that theory. You might find this useful. Go down to where the flame temp of kerosene and melting temp of etell are discussed.216.239.51.104 . You'd think these dolts would learn not to get into specific details that can be disproven. Also, it is not necessary to actually melt a material under compression to cause it to collapse. As its temp goes up, it weakens; at some point it collapses. Is a stick of butter that's been out at room temp for a few hours as strong as one right out of the freezer? Molybdenum is a metallic, silvery-white element, with an atomic number of 42. Its chemical symbol is Mo. Chemically, it is very stable, but it will react with acids. The physical characteristic that makes molybdenum unique is that it has a very high melting point, 4,730 degrees Fahrenheit. This is 2,000 degrees higher than the melting point of steel. It is 1,000 degrees higher than the melting temperature of most rocks. It has the fifth highest melting point of all of the elements.mii.org Doubtful I will be able to get involved in this. Go ahead and use this. I put "melting temperature steel" into google to get this. Also might try "combustion flame temperature kerosene jet fuel" Jet fuels:chevron.com =================================================== #2 =============================================== WTC collapse- -jet caused itMessage 19244077 About those insulation coatings for construction steel: WTC collapse due to environmentalism? Fire, heat weakened asbestos-free steel columns of towers>/i>worldnetdaily.com Melting temperatures: Tungsten 6000 F - but steel ain't tungsten - 3350 C Steel - 2000-3000 F- -that's 1100 to 1600 C216.239.39.104 . Here: types of steel % OF STRENGTH AT ROOM TEMPERATURE Temperature Mild Cold drawn High strength (degree C) Steel prestressing alloy bars 20 100 100 100 100 102 97 98 200 115 94 102 300 112 80 97 400 82 55 82 500 55 34 60 600 30 16 38 700 20 8 20ou.edu So steel has lost 80% of its room temp strength by 700 c which is 1400 F which is less than the combuxtion temp of Kerosene. So much for that theory. You might find this useful. Go down to where the flame temp of kerosene and melting temp of etell are discussed.216.239.51.104 . Also, it is not necessary to actually melt a material under compression to cause it to collapse. As its temp goes up, it weakens; at some point it collapses. Is a stick of butter that's been out at room temp for a few hours as strong as one right out of the freezer? Molybdenum is a metallic, silvery-white element, with an atomic number of 42. Its chemical symbol is Mo. Chemically, it is very stable, but it will react with acids. The physical characteristic that makes molybdenum unique is that it has a very high melting point, 4,730 degrees Fahrenheit. This is 2,000 degrees higher than the melting point of steel. It is 1,000 degrees higher than the melting temperature of most rocks. It has the fifth highest melting point of all of the elements.mii.org I put "melting temperature steel" into google to get this. Also might try "combustion flame temperature kerosene jet fuel" Jet fuels:chevron.com . ======================================================= Don't break anything trying to understand this. Oh. What school did you get your CE from?