To: TobagoJack who wrote (8238 ) 8/13/2006 3:31:07 AM From: No Mo Mo Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 218910 (OT - Sorry) Jay, I'm in India currently. I just spent two weeks in Dharmasala (& McLeod Ganj), home of many Tibetans and the Tibetan "govt. in exile". Opinions of the political state of Tibet prior to Chinese invasion, the current demographics of Tibet (Han immigration promoted by Bejing has tilted the balance in their favor), the meaning of "progress" i.e. what does it mean to be "better off" since the Chinese invaded, the reasons for non-recognition by foreign states and almost all "justifications" for invasion aside; I have spoken to many exiled Tibetans (other places in India as well) who don't want the Chinese in Tibet. There may or may not be persecution happening on the scale it was before (or similar to that in Lebanon or Iraq) but from the many photos I've seen and accounts I've read, the Chinese did commit many thousands of atrocities in Tibet. There are still many old people here in India who walked from Tibet (over the Himalayas) in the '50's and '60's. People don't make a journey with hardships like that for fun. They were terrorized. Most importantly, I don't think it's fair or realistic to characterize Mahayana Buddhism, the version practiced by Tibetans, as "fundamentalist". You seem to know a great deal about many things but, if you seriously believe that assertion, I can't believe you've investigated it very deeply. Whatever, as you pointed out, that's not what you were discussing. I just happen to be here and there is plenty of information on the other side of what you said. And, for what it's worth, I'm going to Tibet sometime in November. I hope to spend a couple months. Regards.