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To: Brumar89 who wrote (910)	8/13/2006 2:34:57 PM
From: KLP	Respond to of 1695

Well said, as usual, Brumar! Never thought of this aspect before....Maybe we are so used to defending our decisions, that others haven't thought of it either. Of course, the western 'buddy' is NOT responsible for the 'tyrannical "buddy"'. Apparently many people think there is a category of international relations known as buddyship. Via "buddyship", the western "buddy" country becomes morally responsible for all the sins of the tyrannical "buddy" and even the existence of the tyrannical "buddy".

To: Brumar89 who wrote (910)	8/13/2006 3:22:08 PM
From: maceng2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1695

I don't think the use of DU munitions against tanks on a battlefield amounts to contaminating the entire region. If only that were true. Conservative estimates quote 1700 tonnes of DU used during the 2003 invasion. janes.com ========================================================== Iraq: the DU dust settles Following the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, the incidence of radioactive contamination on Iraqi territory is being linked to the use of depleted uranium (DU) in munitions used by Coalition forces. JID's weapons specialist reviews the continuing political fall-out for Washington and its allies. DU has created controversy since it was used in the 1991 Gulf War. Activists and veterans' groups blame US weapons containing DU as the prime cause of 'Gulf War syndrome', an elusive combination of maladies that has affected more than 50,000 US veterans. Iraqi medical authorities also claim that increases in child cancers and birth defects were caused by DU contamination from tank battles on farmland west of Basra. The Uranium Medical Research Center (UMRC) estimates the amount of DU used in the 2003 war at 1,700 tonnes, deployed in fighting vehicles, tanks, and aircraft. According to a UMRC research team, DU rounds used by US and British forces may have subjected parts of the country to high levels of radioactive contamination. The team's preliminary tests showed that air, soil and water samples contained 'hundreds to thousands of times' the normal levels of radiation. Tanks used in the battle for Nasiriyah examined by the UMRC team were found to be emitting several hundred times the background level of radiation. Depleted uranium - U-238 - is a waste by-product of uranium enrichment and is 40 per cent less radioactive than natural uranium, but remains radioactive for 4.5 billion years. DU is used in munitions because its density is 1.7 times that of lead; ignites and burns on hitting a hard target, acting as a self-sharpening penetrator; and has exceptional performance against armoured targets. Its hardness also makes it ideal for use in armour plating. =========================================================== I won't post the Arab links on the subject, but it's fair to say they are accusing the USA/UK of using WMD on them. WMD that will have a terrible effect on thier population for many years. This makes them unhappy bunnies to say the least. Regarding your other points... more later.