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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (197170)	8/14/2006 8:37:27 AM
From: GST	Respond to of 281500

If you have been treating your children the way we have treated prisoners in the Iraqi prisons we ran, then perhaps its time to call the police and have them lock you up.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (197170)	8/14/2006 8:59:25 AM
From: jttmab	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Where I draw the line is when permanent injury is inflicted. It's where I draw the line, because it the legal line that has been drawn with regard to the disciplining of children. Give me a break. There is no one that is going to equate those two criteria with respect to detainees or prisoners. If you write a DoD policy that says "no measures can be used beyond what is legally allowed in the disciplining of children", you're going to be laughed off the block. A DoD policy of "no means where permanent injury is inflicted" will include: bruising, water boarding, sensory deprivation, stress positions, a stun gun applied to the scrotum or ripping out fingernails. There is a world of difference between stress positions and go stand in the corner. None of those result in permanent injury. The interrogators may leave the stun gun and ripping out of fingernails to later in their career, but they'll get there with a policy of "no permanent injury". But when's the last time you saw a parent prosecuted for slapping their child across the face for being disobedient (assuming they didn't leave a bruise), or for rendering corporal punishment, let alone putting their child in solitary confinement and denied food? I haven't seen a parent prosecuted for a single slap across a child's face, so I guess you're saying you haven't seen a parent prosecuted for putting their child in solitary confinement or denying them food. And you see them all as equivalent and acceptable. Seems to me there is a major hypocrisy evident here, considering that such punishment is permissible upon a child guilty of far less terrible violations of social order than is a terrorist who has attempted, or succeeded, to murder someone. And where do the thousands of detainees who were released for not having committed any violent acts fit into the picture. I've seen plenty of times where some conservative [and the US Government] has asserted that all the detainees are terrorists only to be followed by some major release [by the hundreds] of detainees who did nothing but be in the wrong place at the wrong time. For example, none of the detainees of British nationality that were released from GITMO were ever prosecuted for anything by the US or the British government. They were just stuck in GITMO for giggles. And when are people like you going to recognize that captive illegal combatants who's leadership has not agreed to, or signed the GC, receive more favorable treatment than is required for discipling of children?? I didn't know that you lead your children naked on the floor with a dog lead. So you take your boys and put girl's underwear on their head to develop their sense of proper respect for adults? How many months have you put your children in solitary confinement? Do you have some limit of 3 months, 6 months, a year? How many days do you keep your children awake before you ask them to confess to what they did wrong? Keeping your children in shackles with hoods over their heads; is that something you do on a daily basis or just for family events? How does cycling their room temperature to extremes affect your electricity bill? Is that expensive? And when are people like you going to recognize that captive illegal combatants who's leadership has not agreed to, or signed the GC, receive more favorable treatment than is required for discipling of children?? When are you going to realize that detainee treatment isn't about the detainee, it's about who we are? jttmab