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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (299948)8/14/2006 8:41:37 PM
From: tejek  Respond to of 1577883
 
Ted, The Zionists decided to take over land that was fairly well occupied. Not smart.

There is a wealth of history that led up to the formation of Israel and beyond. It's really easy to look back at the formation of Israel in a vacuum and say it shouldn't have happened, but that would ignore just about everything else that was happening in the world at the time.


In fact, there is very little history.......there was a period of time where Israel was a nation state around 7th and 8th centuries BC....by the sixth century the Great Diaspora began. Fast forward to the 19th century, the Zionists began to emigrate to Israel in small numbers. Even at the time of statehood, the Zionists made up roughly 30% of the population. That hardly suggests a wealth of history.

Like I said before, the Western world was drawing arbitrary borders in the Middle East well into the middle of the 20th century. Hindsight is 20/20, but I still think we should live with the borders we have today. If the Palestinians want statehood, I'm all for it if we could also guarantee peace in the region using U.N. peacekeepers.

There were many people opposed to the formation of Israel including Europeans as well as Arabs. The US and Zionists would not listen to their complaints.

Otherwise, we should just let Israel fight its own battles and not tell them how to fight it. JCP thinks they'll be OK with their 200+ nukes, but I'd hate to see them use the first one.

Do you think Israelis are that stupid? I don't.



To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (299948)8/15/2006 2:23:04 AM
From: Elroy  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1577883
 
but I still think we should live with the borders we have today.

Uhhhmmmm. Why?

It seems Iraq might be better separated into a number of different countries.

It seems poverty stricken destitute Yemen should be united with Saudi Arabia so they can share in that countries oil wealth.

There is no reason for the sub-million populations of Kuwait and Qatar should get all of their countries' oil wealth, while neighboring countries of tens of millions are poor.



To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (299948)8/15/2006 6:37:23 AM
From: Road Walker  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1577883
 
You like George Will, right? He seems to agree with Kerry more than Bush?

The limits of military power versus terrorism
By GEORGE WILL
Washington Post
Five weeks have passed since the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers provoked Israel to launch its most unsatisfactory military operation in 58 years. What problem has been solved, or even ameliorated?

Hezbollah, often using World War II-vintage rockets, has demonstrated the inadequacy of Israel’s policy of unilateral disengagement — from Lebanon, Gaza, much of the West Bank — behind a fence. Hezbollah has willingly suffered (temporary) military diminution in exchange for enormous political enlargement. Hitherto, Hezbollah in Lebanon was a “state within a state.” Henceforth, the Lebanese state may be an appendage of Hezbollah, as the collapsing Palestinian Authority is an appendage of the terrorist organization Hamas. Hezbollah is an army that, having frustrated the regional superpower, suddenly embodies, as no Arab state ever has, Arab valor vindicated in combat with Israel.

Only twice in the U.N.’s six decades has it authorized the use of substantial force — in 1950 regarding Korea and 1990 regarding Kuwait. It still has not authorized force in Lebanon. What is being called a “cease-fire” resolution calls for Israel to stop all “offensive” operations. Israel, however, reasonably says that its entire effort is defensive. The resolution calls for Hezbollah to stop “all attacks.” The United Nations, however, has twice resolved that Hezbollah should be disarmed, yet has not willed the means to that end. Regarding force now, the United Nations merely “expresses its intention to consider in a later resolution further enhancements” of the U.N. force that for 28 years has been loitering without serious intent in south Lebanon.

The “new Middle East,” the “birth pangs” of which we supposedly are witnessing, reflects the region’s oldest tradition, the tribalism that preceded nations. The faux and disintegrating nation of Iraq, from which the middle class, the hope of stability, is fleeing, has experienced in these five weeks many more violent deaths than have occurred in Lebanon and Israel. U.S. Gen. George Casey says 60 percent of Iraqis recently killed are victims of Shiite death squads. Some are associated with the Shiite-controlled Interior Ministry, which resembles a terrorist organization.

The London plot against civil aviation confirmed a theme of an illuminating new book, Lawrence Wright’s The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11. The theme is that better law enforcement, which probably could have prevented 9/11, is central to combating terrorism. F-16s are not useful tools against terrorism that issues from places such as Hamburg (where Mohamed Atta lived before dying in the North Tower of the World Trade Center) and High Wycombe, England.

Cooperation between Pakistani and British law enforcement (the British draw upon useful experience combating IRA terrorism) has validated John Kerry’s belief (as paraphrased by The New York Times Magazine of Oct. 10, 2004) that “many of the interdiction tactics that cripple drug lords, including governments working jointly to share intelligence, patrol borders and force banks to identify suspicious customers, can also be some of the most useful tools in the war on terror.” In a candidates debate in South Carolina (Jan. 29, 2004), Kerry said that although the war on terror will be “occasionally military,” it is “primarily an intelligence and law enforcement operation that requires cooperation around the world.”

Immediately after the London plot was disrupted, a “senior administration official,” insisting on anonymity for his or her splenetic words, denied the obvious, that Kerry had a point. The official told The Weekly Standard:

“The idea that the jihadists would all be peaceful, warm, loveable, God-fearing people if it weren’t for U.S. policies strikes me as not a valid idea. (Democrats) do not have the understanding or the commitment to take on these forces. It’s like John Kerry. The law enforcement approach doesn’t work.”

This farrago of caricature and non sequitur makes the administration seem eager to repel all but the delusional. But perhaps such rhetoric reflects the intellectual contortions required to sustain the illusion that the war in Iraq is central to the war on terrorism, and that the war, unlike “the law enforcement approach,” does “work.”

The official is correct that it is wrong “to think that somehow we are responsible — that the actions of the jihadists are justified by U.S. politics.” But few outside the fog of paranoia that is the blogosphere think like that. It is more dismaying that someone at the center of government considers it clever to talk like that. It is the language of foreign policy — and domestic politics — unrealism.

Foreign policy “realists” considered Middle East stability the goal. The realists’ critics, who regard realism as reprehensibly unambitious, considered stability the problem. That problem has been solved.

Write to Mr. Will at georgewill@washpost.com.