To: scratchmyback who wrote (144344 ) 8/17/2006 11:49:34 AM From: Maurice Winn Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 152472 Scratchy, this off topic is dear to my heart. Gasoline is what BP Oil used to pay me quite well to dabble with. My hobby horse was high quality gasoline. It's not really off-topic as similar things apply in the wireless cyberspace realm - avoiding pollution [of spectrum, with blasters blasting huge signal all over the place, skylines], offering good value, segmenting markets, city needs being different from rural, and some people wanting an upmarket supersonic phragmented photon Anita [TM] cyberphone and others just wanting to talk on a phone - some want 98 octane super-juice micro city cars in high-taxed cold climates, while others want to roar around on hot freeways in southern California in gas-guzzling monster SUVs. 450MHz is excellent not just for rural services, but city services. As spectral efficiency improves and 450MHz current services migrate to wireless cyberspace on cyberphone internet protocol services, the olde-style analogue 450MHz will be abandoned and the huge value it has in wireless cyberspace will mean legacy users will be kicked off as licences expire or governments exert imperial rights, aka to confiscate in favour of the greatest good for the greatest number [or themselves in many cases]. CDMA2000 is already filling a fair bit of 450MHz spectrum and will continue to fill more as it's the best use of the spectrum and the only way to provide rural services effectively and cheaply enough. <It may sound unbelievable, but (thanks to Finnish engineering talent) Neste Oil can refine unleaded CARB (California Air Resources Board) quality gasoline from Russian sour Ural oil, and they actually export a lot of gasoline from Finland to California. It's hard to understand how it can be profitable to export gasoline from Finland to California, obviously the U.S. oil refiners could take a lesson or two from Neste Oil's Finnish engineers! > That's not at all surprising. There's less haulage to be done if the product is processed nearer the source. It can be done at a single processor and distributed to whoever needs it, rather than build multiply processor plants around the world. California is the world's champion gas guzzler, so they have to import huge amounts of fuel, whether processed or unprocessed. Labour costs are cheaper in the Urals or nearby, so I guess refining is cheaper there too. Maybe the Russian workers build the refinery in Finland at the end of a pipeline from the Urals and from there it can be shipped around the world. USA refiners have to get hold of oil to refine and then they suffer very high salary costs to do the refining. Better to out-source to lower cost suppliers. Similarly, Huawei has announced a good contract for supply of base stations which I'm sure they'll make in China and export around the world. Along with subscriber devices. They should get the Chinese government to forget that TD-SCDMA stuff, which Nokia has its claws into, along with W-CDMA, and for which there's no international market, and won't be. China should adopt CDMA2000 as their main system and that would give Huawei and Chinese producers a major advantage. Nokia has said they are ditching CDMA2000. That leaves the coast clear for China to take over. CDMA2000 Dora, Dorb, multimode wimax, etc, could fill China in a short time with mobile cyberspace and huge profits from exports. Inventing their own dopey standard is dopey. Mqurice