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To: thames_sider who wrote (983)	8/15/2006 2:52:07 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 1695

One of the real bright spots in all this, imo, has been the evidence that people really do make a distinction between the citizens of a country and its leadership. I've been really happy to see that.

To: thames_sider who wrote (983)	8/15/2006 5:25:23 PM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 1695

I perceive the scorn between many European gov'ts and the Bush administration as mutual. Ultimately the issue is over who is the senior partner in the relationship. Bush tried to lead the Europeans and they generally didn't follow. Clinton didn't try to lead. He followed. The European govts liked that. As far as the US electorate goes, the question of who would be most popular in Europe isn't a big deciding point. Putting it mildly. During the last election, I recall someone arranged for some Britons hostile to Bush to personally ask Ohio voters to vote for Kerry. I think the negative reaction from that was helpful for Bush, not only in Clark County (the targeted county) but across the nation because the effort got media attention. I hope someone mounts a similar effort in 2008 on behalf of Hillary or Gore. guardian.co.uk guardian.co.uk timblair.spleenville.com Clark Updated: 5:37 p.m. ET Bush (Incumbent) 34,941 51% 100% of precincts reporting Kerry 33,535 49% cnn.com ..Bush's replacement by a Democrat .. Not sure why people seem focused on Bush - he can't run again so he won't be in the race. A Democrat win depends on the Democrats being able to field an electable candidate. I have to think Hillary is the best bet they have, strictly because her husband is the most politically savvy guy in their party. Though so many people don't like her having a smart pol advising you might not be enough. Then she has to get the Democratic nomination and many antiwar Dems are hostile to her over her support of the war. Gore might run, but would probably lose. Republicans have some formidable candidates - Guliani, Allen, McCain, Gingrich impress me most but there are others. In terms of the next election, people should be focused forward and be thinking Hillary or Gore vs Guliani, McCain, or Gingrich - instead of Bush.