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Politics : The Miracle of Islamic Science -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: AmericanVoter who wrote (125)	8/17/2006 3:12:12 PM
From: Proud_Infidel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 273

Re: there is a difference between stigmatizing Muslims as terrorists Who is "stigmatizing"? Next time a blonde Mennonite detonates a car bomb or blows a plane out of the sky, call me. Re: false generalizations What have I posted which was a "false generalization"? Most of the muslim world seems to be upset (to the point of rioting and murder) over cartoons, and yet nary a word is said when a plot is uncovered to blow 10 planes out of the sky. Re: was Timothy McVeigh Muslim? history is full of other examples. If you didn't have McVeigh as an argument, you would not have an argument at all, and you know this. How many Mennonites, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Mormons, Catholics, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, have done what is splashed across the front page every day? Re: finally, the place to discuss such issues is not here Isn't the purpose of these threads for discourse and understanding? If not, then please tell me what they are for.

To: AmericanVoter who wrote (125)	8/17/2006 3:19:42 PM
From: Proud_Infidel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 273

WARNING: GRAPHIC PICTURE! The Truth Hurts:

To: AmericanVoter who wrote (125)	8/17/2006 3:21:57 PM
From: Ichy Smith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 273

yes, Muslim communities are unable to deal with situations where Muslims have committed acts of terrorism ... but does that give you, or anyone for that matter, the right to make false generalizations ? when there is clear bias for whatever reason, it becomes futile to try to make a point. You wrote a huge piece at the beginning of this list giving everyone the glorious history of Islamic Science. It stopped 500 years ago, what have you produced lately? What has come about is a religion whose members look down upon other religions, act as if they are too good for anyone else, and who whine constantly about Israel. There is no place for the Israelis to go. Worse than that, the only people who can stop this insanity, are Muslims, and often they claim it is the fault of the US and the Israelis. The Jews did not attack the Twin Towers Muslims did, and until Muslims look at what some Muslims are doing, and begin to discuss among themselves how to save their children, it will not stop. And if it doesn't stop, Islam will be more and more isolated and feared because of the actions of a few Muslims. Think about the normal human reaction to those it fears.

To: AmericanVoter who wrote (125)	8/18/2006 2:28:14 PM
From: Ichy Smith	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 273

I just reread your list of accomplishments for old dead Muslims. A half dozen Muslims were leading the world in enlightenment up until 1200 according to your list. Why did they stop. Why is it that they had a brief period of learning and advancement, and then simply stopped? How come there is nothing for 800 years?

To: AmericanVoter who wrote (125)	8/21/2006 10:20:26 AM
From: Proud_Infidel	Respond to of 273

To: AmericanVoter who wrote (125)	8/21/2006 10:51:03 AM
From: Proud_Infidel	Respond to of 273

Where are the riots? Where is the muslim outrage that mulsims are killing fellow muslims? Snipers kill 20 Shiite pilgrims in Iraq Associated Press ^ \| Aug. 20, 2006 \| VIJAY JOSHI BAGHDAD, Iraq - Snipers lurking on buildings and in a cemetery sprayed bullets into Shiite Muslim religious processions in the capital Sunday, killing at least 20 people in another spasm of sectarian bloodletting that many Iraqis fear is pushing them toward civil war. About 300 people were injured, mostly when they fell while running to escape gunfire in Sunni Arab-dominated areas along the parade routes. In one neighborhood, gunmen hid behind tombstones at a Sunni cemetery. "I was walking and someone got shot in front of me. It wasn't random fire, it was a clear sniper attack," said Mohammed Jassim, 32. He said he could hear the faint crack of shots over the noise of the procession. "People panicked and started yelling: 'It came from here, no from there.'" Women in black Islamic robes helped each other while running for cover. Many took refuge under an overpass, flinching and ducking in fear at the sound of each gunshot. It was relatively quiet elsewhere in Iraq, with eight killings reported in other areas. The snipings occurred despite heavy security imposed in Baghdad by Iraqi and U.S. forces as well as a weekend driving ban designed to prevent car bombings amid the tit-for-tat violence that Shiites and Sunnis have waged since the Feb. 22 bombing of a Shiite mosque in Samarra. Still, the day's main ceremonies went off peacefully at the golden-domed shrine to Imam Moussa Kadhim, one of 12 Shiite Muslim saints. The attacks on pilgrims took place in three or four neighborhoods at least a mile from the shrine where Kadhim is buried in the Kazimiyah neighborhood of north Baghdad. Shiites believe that Kadhim, who died in A.D. 799, was poisoned in prison by a Sunni caliph. Pilgrims wearing white shrouds to symbolize their willingness to die for Islam chanted "God bless (Prophet) Muhammad and his descendants" as they converged on the mosque. "We heed your call, oh Imam!" they proclaimed before entering the compound, beating their chests and flagellating themselves with steel chains in a traditional Shiite expression of grief. Fadhil al-Sharaa, an aide to Shiite Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, estimated a million people participated in the processions. Other officials were more conservative, putting the figure at 200,000 to 300,000. The Health Ministry and the Interior Ministry gave identical casualty figures in the shootings: 20 pilgrims killed and 304 injured, only a few of the latter by bullets. Police said four militants, including two snipers, were killed by security forces. The U.S. military confirmed the deaths of five civilians and was checking reports saying a total of about 20 were killed, a spokesman, Lt. Col. Barry Johnson, said. "Iraqi forces reacted immediately to each reported incident, suppressing attacks and detaining several suspects," Johnson said. About 12,000 extra U.S. and Iraqi soldiers have been deployed to Baghdad in recent weeks as part of a security crackdown on a surge of insurgent attacks and sectarian bloodshed in the capital. Many people are especially worried about sectarian violence, which is claiming about 100 lives a day across Iraq and stoking fears that the country could slide into civil war. Industry Minister Fowzi Hariri dismissed those worries Sunday. "That's not happening in Iraq. The vast majority of the people of Iraq are determined to end up in a national unity country and a government that is for the whole of Iraqis," Hariri said on CNN's "Late Edition" program. He said "certain elements" are trying to destabilize Iraq. "But they will not win," he asserted. After the attacks, the Iraqi Islamic Party, the main Sunni political bloc, accused government forces and armed Shiite militias of killing "peaceful people," raiding homes and attacking Sunni mosques, but offered no details. "We call on the government to adopt a strict stand against anybody who tries to create chaos and disorder," a party statement said. Last year's Kadhim commemoration also was marred by deaths, when rumors of suicide bombers triggered a mass stampede on a bridge across the Tigris River. The government said about 1,000 people died in the worst single day death toll since the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003. Shiites were prevented from mustering huge crowds at religious ceremonies during Saddam Hussein's Sunni-dominated regime. But since hiss ouster, Shiite politicians and religious leaders have encouraged huge turnouts as a demonstration of the majority sect's power.

To: AmericanVoter who wrote (125)	8/24/2006 8:52:37 AM
From: Proud_Infidel	Respond to of 273

Egyptian counter-fatwa: don’t kill Jews in Egypt, as to elsewhere... Judeoscope ^ \| 8-24-6 judeoscope.ca Egyptian counter-fatwa: don’t kill Jews in Egypt, as to elsewhere... From Agence France-Presse: Egypt’s Muslim authorities have stepped in to keep a wave of anti-Semitic sentiment from getting out of control, disowning an edict by a firebrand cleric calling for Israeli Jews to be killed. On the eve of last week’s truce in the month-long war between Israel and Hezbollah, cleric Safwat al-Higazi issued an edict calling on worshippers to kill "any Zionist anywhere in wartime". Speaking on the religious satellite network Al-Nas, the Cairo imam specified that the use of "fire arms, knives and poison" should be preferred to suicide bombings "in order to spare innocents". Higazi later limited the edict to Israeli Jews, whom he said were all reservists in the army and therefore legitimate targets. "I myself am ready to slash the throat of any Israeli I meet," he told the Sawt al-Umma newspaper. Popular resentment over the Israeli offensive in Lebanon is close to boiling point in Egypt, one of only two Arab countries to have a peace treaty with the Jewish state. Al-Azhar mosque, the leading theological authority for many Sunni Muslims, had to step in with a counter-fatwa and banned Higazi from preaching at Friday prayers. "Killing Jews on the Egyptian territory would be a terrorist act," said the edict, issued three days after Higazi’s. However, the Al-Azhar fatwa said nothing about killing Jews in other countries.