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To: techguerrilla who wrote (53503)8/18/2006 10:28:32 AM
From: altair19  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 104155
 
/john

< I'd never thought of the "journeyman" angle. Each suffers from that characteristic.>

It often happens that those types of players take longer to get in - sportwriters wake up and say "of course, how did we miss that?!".

There is a huge and sad irony around Buckner- he had an outstanding series in addition to playing injured - most people have forgotten that. Shiraldi contributed significantly to the root cause of the problem - he should have been pulled - he was wild with no placement- his wild pitch advanced the runner to third ....and the rest his history.

As a Boston fan, 86 was bad enough - however 2003 pennant race not pulling Pedro against the Yanks was worse.....I have a mantra when I get depressed thinking about it - it goes:

TIMLIN IN THE 8TH, WILLIAMSON IN THE 9TH, TIMLIN IN THE 8TH, WILLIAMSON IN THE 9TH.

...if you say this 100 times slowly, you begin to feel better.

Altair19



To: techguerrilla who wrote (53503)8/21/2006 12:37:22 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 104155
 
Out to prove they're not just paper Tigers
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Only way to validate season is by not getting cooked under pressure

By Dave van Dyck
Chicago Tribune staff reporter
August 20, 2006, 9:59 PM CDT

DETROIT -- Being from White Sox country and working for the Detroit Tigers, Curtis Granderson is learning a lot about life at the top of the teeter-totter.

"My friends and family from home, who are all Sox fans, talk about it more so as … not so much a race, but like, when are we going to fade, slash, when are they going to pick it up?" said Granderson, who lives in Lynwood.

"That part takes away from the excitement of it, but at same time the excitement is there because we want to prove all the doubters out there wrong."

And, make no mistake, the Tigers now have double the doubters — even in Detroit — these days.

Their lead in the AL Central is stuck at 51/2 games as the defending champion White Sox come calling at Comerica Park for four games starting Monday.

As if their 3-9 record in the last 12 games—including three straight losses to Texas—isn't reason for concern, their 3-9 season record against the Sox is.

Four games against a team hot in pursuit can change the face of the division race very quickly. The Tigers could see their lead over the Sox shrink to 1? games or grow to as much as 9?.

"Are we aware of what's going on? Are we aware of who's behind us?" manager Jim Leyland asked. "Sure we are.

"You'd be totally lying if you said you weren't. But it's not like you're focused on that. You've got to go out and win games, and if you don't, you're not going to get in [the postseason] because the Twins and White Sox are going to win games. You have to assume that."

While Detroit's recent skid has been disquieting, it hasn't caused much of a ruckus in the Tigers' clubhouse.

"We've got 40 games left; that's a lot of games," former White Sox slugger Magglio Ordonez said before Sunday's game. "We have to play .500 in those games … that's 99 wins. That's pretty good."

Well, .500 is not much of a goal for a team that was 40 games over that mark just two weeks ago. But Ordonez's point is valid, though his numbers were slightly off. The Tigers have 38 games remaining, and if they split those, they will finish with a 98-64 record.

And here's a fact for the White Sox: They would have to go 25-14 just to win that many games. So that makes these four in Detroit exceedingly important, at least to the Sox.

"All games are important this time of year," said Tigers general manager Dave Dombrowski, a Chicago native and former White Sox employee.

"Every game we play is important. But I don't think I would say it is a do-or-die situation."

That depends on who is talking. Detroit awoke Sunday morning to a "Tigers Toothless" headline in the Free Press after a second straight loss to Texas. And Comerica Park fans were exchanging similar views with ushers about how serious the situation has become.

Panic paranoia is part of being in first place. White Sox fans went through the same thing at this time last year.

When you aren't even expected to win in the first place, every home loss is cause for anxiety, every opponent's victory reason for alarm.

Granderson has been there from the other side, so he has a perfect perspective of his team's possible predicament.

On Sept. 26 last season, it was his walkoff homer at Comerica that left the reeling White Sox just two games ahead of Cleveland with six games remaining in the season.

It was a near collapse that Granderson saw up close. So when Granderson and his Tigers were being swept at U.S. Cellular Field just a week ago, he should have known what was coming.

"During the last game, a bunch fans were making gestures, signaling we were going [to choke]," he said. "I remember when the White Sox were going through that stuff and people didn't realize Cleveland was playing great. Do you call it a choke when you finish with 90-plus wins and not get in? It's hard to say that."

Could the Tigers be going through a classic flop as the Sox visit?

"It's definitely difficult, but we wouldn't want it any other way," Granderson said. "I think it's going to be a good test for us. We'll gain a lot of knowledge for whatever happens the rest of the season."

Whatever happens could depend greatly on how Granderson does, because he has been a big part of the August problem. Granderson, the Tigers' leadoff hitter who sat out Sunday's game, is batting .140 in 18 August games.

But he has not been alone. Ordonez is just 3-for-14 on the homestand, and everyone in the lineup has struggled at times recently.

Truth is, the Tigers are not a classic offensive team. Going into Sunday's hit parade against Texas, they were next to last in the American League in walks, first in strikeouts and 12th in on-base percentage.

"We are what we are," Leyland said. "It's worked all right. If our pitching hadn't been outstanding, we would have lost 15 more games. Our pitching has been pretty good, and that's what will have to carry us."

Pretty good?

The Tigers have won 17 games when they have scored three or fewer runs, compared with five for the White Sox.

But even the pitching has struggled lately.

Amazing rookie Justin Verlander, who starts against the Sox on Monday night, has lost his last two starts after being passed over because of a tired arm. Ace Kenny Rogers has won just once since the All-Star break. Jeremy Bonderman, who leads the Tigers in innings pitched, couldn't hold a 6-0 lead Sunday and was forced out of the game in the fifth inning.

And during the sweep in Chicago, the Tigers were outscored 16-6.

Now comes the rematch, and the pressure, strangely enough, seems to be on the Tigers instead of the Sox. But these four games could decide whether the Sox or the Twins still have a chance to win the Central.

This is something Granderson and most of the other Tigers have never been through.

"Most of these guys here today were here when we were 43-119 [in 2003]," team elder Dmitri Young said.

And that makes a pennant race both special and spine-tingling.

"These four games are important," shortstop Carlos Guillen said. "The last month of the season we've got to start doing better against the White Sox. They've been playing better than us.

"But if we put pressure on ourselves before the series starts, we'll be in trouble."

No one in Detroit needs reminding what's at stake.

"The standings are in the paper every day," Leyland said. "And I can read."

Copyright © 2006, The Chicago Tribune



To: techguerrilla who wrote (53503)8/28/2006 11:22:35 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 104155
 
Leyland celebrates now, looks to later
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By Jason Beck
MLB.com
08/28/2006 5:48 PM ET

DETROIT -- Jim Leyland planned on celebrating after his team's win Sunday. It had nothing to do with ending a four-game losing streak or opening up a five-game lead again in the division. It had to do with an offseason forecast.

In the minutes after his Tigers finished up their 7-1 drubbing of the Indians, Leyland told the story of the milestone win of his first season managing the 1986 Pirates. When he took the job over the winter, he recalled, his brother warned him he'd lose 100 games with that team. If they lost 100 games, he countered, he'd quit.

They came close, going 64-98, but with four games to go the Pirates earned their 63rd win. And when they did, Leyland shared a glass of champagne with his coaches.

"Everybody laughed at it because they thought it was really bush [league]," Leyland said. "I was celebrating because I didn't have to quit then."

Fast-forward two decades to when Leyland took the Tigers job last October. Just finish over .500, his brothers told him, and the city of Detroit would be estatic. So on Sunday, when the Tigers' 82nd win clinched their first winning season since 1993 with five weeks still to go, Leyland remembered what he'd been told, both last fall and 20 years before.

As long ago as that seems, when expectations were still like that, Leyland had to smile. He wasn't trying to lower expectations. Five days earlier, when the Tigers ensured they'd end their 12-year streak of losing seasons, he said he didn't take the job to finish .500. But remembering what his brothers said reminded him of what winning means to this franchise, and he brought up to reporters that they'd guaranteed a winning season.

"I'm celebrating on the plane," he said. "I don't even drink, but I might have a little glass of wine."

Laughter ensued.

"I'm tickled," he later insisted. "You might think I'm kidding, but I'm not. I'm proud of that."

The win aside, the Tigers didn't exactly head from Cleveland to New York as a juggernaut. They're not getting dominant pitching as often as they were earlier in the season, and those magical late-inning comebacks were harder to find last week. Yet the image of the Tigers as a young team overcome by nerves isn't entirely accurate, even from the guys who haven't been in a playoff race before.

"It's funny, because people say we haven't had one of these [prolonged struggles]," Nate Robertson said Sunday morning. "Listen, there's a group of guys here that had a lot of these three years ago. I was talking to [Brandon] Inge the other day about that. It's like, this is nothing compared to falling on real hard times."

For all the stereotyping of Leyland as a fire-breathing manager, one would imagine he'd be hitting another decible level with his players lately. However, the lesson in all of this is that Leyland's working hard on keeping his players loose. When they were on their way to getting swept in Chicago earlier this week, the one pregame talk he had with them was to tell them to enjoy the pennant race rather than dread it.

He pointed out that his team looked tired Thursday, when their 10-0 loss to the White Sox earned Chicago a series split, but he repeatedly cautioned that he wasn't mad at his players. His postgame instructions to them after another loss wasn't angry, but direct.

"If we want to play in October, we have to all step it up," he said at the time. "I love my team, but that's the facts. If we don't, we go home."

Nor did he try to overanalyze his club during the struggles. When asked about his reaction to Carlos Guillen's comments that the Tigers might actually be playing too relaxed, Leyland pointed out that he's not a psychologist. And whenever he was asked about the struggles over the weekend, he kept it simple.

After they had won, Leyland didn't change his tune. He's sticking by his players. After all the moves made following Sunday's game, the net effect isn't much. They'll have another hard-throwing 21-year-old rookie in the bullpen because Leyland believes talent wins out, regardless of experience. And in sending down Brent Clevlen for a week, Leyland said he wanted to give a boost of confidence to the recently-slumping Curtis Granderson.

"Hopefully, we're through one of those stretches now where when we pitched good, we didn't hit, and when we hit good, we didn't pitch," he said. "Hopefully, that's behind us, and that's why I wasn't going to yell at them and panic and scream at them. That's not going to happen.

"They know what's in front of them. There's nobody here that hasn't been trying for the last few days or through this tough stretch. It's just that you let your imagination get carried away when you go start going a little tough. And all of a sudden, you think every ball you hit is hard and somebody makes a great play on every ball. It really doesn't work that way, but that's the way it seems to be. We had our share of good breaks, obviously.

"We just have to keep playing, and that's what we're going to do. If we're good enough, we'll still be playing in October. And if we're not, we'll be home."

Leyland, for one, thinks they're good enough to celebrate -- now and later.



To: techguerrilla who wrote (53503)8/29/2006 9:01:27 PM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 104155
 
Leyland has Tigers flying

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