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To: Bilow who wrote (198016)	8/18/2006 6:08:04 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

but making Israel an unpleasant place to live, and the IDF an unpleasant organization to be drafted into has an effect on Israel. Some may leave, but there are more Israelis, IMO, determined to stay because they know if they can be chased out of their ancestral homeland, they will not be safe anywhere. Let's not forget that Israelis have a deep-set understanding of the anti-semitism that exists in the world around them. And that's the reason, for the most part, that they chose to settle in Israel in the first place. But you're right in one respect, they don't like "stalemates", nor the possibility that their families might have to live with the constant hazard of rockets being fired upon them from behind a shield of UN forces. So don't mistake this lack of morale you're seeing as evidence that Israelis are throwing in the towel. What they want, as do Americans, is a full-blown, kick their @sses and come home, type of national policy. Hawk

To: Bilow who wrote (198016)	8/18/2006 7:21:44 PM
From: Sam	Respond to of 281500

from Haaretz: Death to Yuppiestan, or, Nasrallah was right There is also anger over Kirya Syndrome, the sense that a large percentage of the youth of greater Tel Aviv sees out its army service partly as nine-to-five bureaucrats in the IDF's Kirya headquarters, and partly as nine-to-five mall rats in the adjacent Azrieli Towers shopping/dining/coffee and cake complex. There is anger over the idea that life went on remarkably smoothly in the Kirya, despite the Home Front Command's disastrous ill-preparedness for wholesale rocket attacks on civilian populations in the north, who were forced to live underground, often in states of distress and want, for weeks on end. There is anger, no less, over the army's signal failures in adequately equipping and even feeding the tens of thousands it sent over the line into Lebanon. This, as life in the Kirya spun along, well-fed, well-clothed, air-conditioned, close to home. .... There was another reservist, barely a year out of his compulsory three years of service, whose company was so hungry that they all crowded into the house of an elderly Lebanese couple, to search for food. "The couple were sitting there," the soldier recalled Thursday. "They could have been my grandparents. It was a horrible scene." Other units, left without supplies for days, broke into grocery stores, searching for water and food. The war was the catalyst for this week's unprecedented outpouring of resentment toward Tel Aviv, but it has clearly been building for years. A week ago, with the war still at full horror, the north crippled by more than 200 Katyusha rockets a day, Maariv devoted a full 10 pages to the question of why so many of its readers would like to see Hassan Nasrallah make good on his threat to launch a Hezbollah rocket that would strike Tel Aviv. We got the letters as well. "I don't want to see anyone in Tel Aviv get hurt," one reader wrote to Haaretz from the Upper Galilee. "But I want the people there to wake up and notice that there's a war going on here." ... more at haaretz.com