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To: michael97123 who wrote (198127)	8/19/2006 10:04:18 AM
From: Ichy Smith	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Assymetric warfare Carl--5mm israelis are destroyed but at what cost to the arabs with 400 nukes going off in all of their cities. But to the "progressives" in North America it is a completely acceptable trade...

To: michael97123 who wrote (198127)	8/19/2006 5:34:43 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi michael97123; Re: "And that stated goal being the destruction of israel. "People like you" always forget the most important reason that israel fights in the first place." I have never forgotten this. That's why I say that Israel's fight is futile. Their enemy will not be satisfied until they achieve their goals in Israel, Everyone knows that the goal is to rename it Palestine. It's not like it's a secret or anything. Re: "Maybe it is futile in the end with one billion crazed moslem standing at the gates of Jerusalem ..." You see? Slowly, slowly, you're beginning to come around. Re: "... but whether you think so or not, on that day there will be far more dead arabs and moslems than jews. Assymetric warfare Carl--5mm israelis are destroyed but at what cost to the arabs with 400 nukes going off in all of their cities." Going on about "5mm Israelis destroyed" is basically fear mongering. The white regime in South Africa had nukes but nothing went off when they went down. The USSR had (lots of) nukes but nothing went off when they went down. So far the very natural theory that states protected by nukes use them before they are destroyed is 0 for 2. So far the natural expectation that there will be massive deaths when nuclear powered states surrender to their enemies is 0 for 2. Israel is an advanced country, their leadership is unlikely to do something so drastic as signing up the population for a 21st century Masada. Ask them. What they'll tell you is that their will be no 21st century Masada because they will win. Few of them will tell you that they're looking forward to sending the nukes off shortly before they meet up with G-d. Every now and then you can find a leader who would rather see the people of his country "destroyed" than surrendered but they are rare. Sure the Germans were afraid of having the evil Communists occupy their country. But eventually, to most of them, that seemed a better choice than continuing to fight. I suspect that the majority of the Israelis will feel similarly. The choice is a matter of choosing either a sure death or a possibility of life. Or do you really think that the Jewish people are the sort that would hide in a bunker and force their children to take poison? I don't. Your problem here is that you seem to think that the only possible way that Israel can be destroyed as a country is as the result of a massive war. Neither the white South Africa regime nor the Soviet Union was destroyed in a massive war. Israel's problem is a demographic one. As the Arabs make the place more unpleasant to live, the less Jews want to live there. The Arabs? They're too poor to leave and are stuck there. Israel's existential problem is not that she is about to be defeated militarily (over the long term, that is a problem, but long before then the demographics problem will be more than enough), but instead that the United States and Europe are far more pleasant place to live than Tel Aviv. Ask Nadine. Israel is gradually becoming a non Jewish country. Fewer and fewer of them are believers. From the conversations I've had with Russians who got out on the "Jewish" quotas, I'd bet that the majority of the people who moved there from Russia would rather have gone to the US. Those people are not going to sign up for Masada II. They'll come to the US on tourist visas and not go back. Hence the demographic problem for Israel. My complaint with your post is that it is more of the "fire and brimstone" stuff that is simply out of place in the very mild fighting that has been going on in Israel. Like someone here said, far more Israelis die in traffic accidents than were killed by Hezbollah over the past year. The whole thing was not a "war" in the sense of a total war, but instead is war in the sense of diplomacy by other means. Who would have thought that, for example, the UN could have brokered a cease fire four weeks into WW2. Or WW1. No, these countries in the Middle East are not trying very hard to hurt each other. To get from where we are to "5 million Israelis destroyed" is to magnify the actual problem by a factor of 50,000. That's making a mountain out of a mole hill. -- Carl