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Politics : Bush-The Mastermind behind 9/11? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Doug R who wrote (14053)8/23/2006 3:12:36 AM
From: Cyprian  Respond to of 20039
 
Myself, I think Israel does exert some influence but I'd be hard put to accept that Israel totally controls the US

Perhaps you're not as informed as I am in this particular regard. Is your opinion subject to change as you become more informed? Perhaps if you were in possession of the knowledge that I possess, you would have a different outlook. Please at least keep this possibility open.

But...when someone rants against Israel in a way that very much resembles that of white supremacist groups and neonazi groups, it's not very conducive to discussion in a forward moving sense.

Rather than merely insinuate that I sound like a neo-nazi or a white supremacist, why don't you address the facts I present in my posts? If you think what I say is false, simply refute it.

Did it ever occur to you that perhaps some people probably feel you are on a rant with your constant 9/11 polemics? Of course your answer to that would be they just don't know what you know, or certainly they would agree with you if they did, right? In other words the reason you seem like a black-helicopter conspiracy-theorist nutcase is because they simply haven't taken the time to carefully investigate the events surrounding 9/11 like you have.

Well the same could be said about you accusing me of my ranting. I would submit that you simply haven't taken the time to investigate the extent of Jewish/Zionist power and control over America, so you think I am the nutcase.

I can assure you that I have spent more time investigating the extent of Jewish influence on America than you have spent on 9/11. You simply do not possess the information that I possess.

If there are specific actions on the part of Israel/US relations that can be analyzed and brought forward relative to the events of 9/11 it's more constructive on this forum.

Well the name of this thread is "Bush-The Mastermind behind 9/11?"

Notice that it is phrased as a question. Well I wish to inform you that Bush is NOT the mastermind behind 9/11. I have known for years who is behind 9/11. Obviously I am not privy to every detail, and I really don't concern myself with trying to discover every detail. It's not all that important to know every infinite detail of how it was plotted and carried out. It will all come out eventually.

There are only a few key words that you need to focus on when trying to learn who were the real masterminds behind 9/11.

Israel
Mossad
Neocon
Zionist

This is where the primary effort should be expended.

Eventually many of you will simply tire of hashing over the same old fine details over and over again and you will wish to learn who really sets the course in America, and what their grand design is. 9/11 was not just some isolated event. It is simply a minor act of a systematic program designed for world enslavement. Go ahead and laugh, and say that I have gone off the deep end. Look at what happened in Bolshevik Russia. Starting with that nation hundreds of millions became enslaved to a tiny cabal of Jewish international bankers and their agents. You don't think that can happen again?

Go learn about German history Pre-WWI. The United States is simply repeating the steps of Germany. The Jews controlled the press and banks in Germany around the time of WWI and Hitler as they do here in America. The Jews enjoyed much freedom and success in Germany and then it all went bad --by intricate design that is --certainly not by accident. Hitler was an agent of the Zionists. He was financed to power by Jewish-German international financiers. The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was financed by Herr Redshield and Jacob Schiff and others. Al Gore's daughter Karenna (who has expressed political aspirations) a handful of years back married the grandson of Jacob Schiff, one of the most prominent financiers in the Russian revoluton where millions of Orthodox Christians were slaughtered and and a whole nation became enslaved.

You will never understand 9/11 completely and fully without understanding the secret motivations of the Zionists. 9/11 was carried out specifically by the Zionist agents of Redshield, to facilitate the World Program as outlined in the Protocols -- that is the enthronement of the World Autocrat for whom the whole program is framed, the "Prince of Israel", i.e. "Mashiach ben David".

And you will never understand what motivates the Zionists unless you read the Sacred Scriptures and the Holy Fathers.

Cyprian



To: Doug R who wrote (14053)8/23/2006 4:28:37 AM
From: Cyprian  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 20039
 
The slant within your references to Khazars appears to be that associated with white supremacists, neo-nazis and various hate groups.

My slant about the Khazarian origins of modern so-called "Jewry" comes from multiple sources, none of them hate groups, neo-nazi, or white supremacist.

First of all, Christ's Holy Orthodox Church is the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Tim 3.15), and in the lives of the Saints, preserved faithfully down through the centuries, it is stated how the pagan Khazarian nation was converted to Judaism (Talmudism) in the 8th century. This large and powerful kingdom had nothing to do with the Holy Land or Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. They were converts to Judaism (Talmudism). The Kagan (king) converted the entire nation, which was subject unto him. This is the origin of the vast majority of people calling themselves "Jews" today. This is a fact. They are not the children of Abraham, and even if they were, it matters not a whit, because they do not do the works of Abraham. (c.f. John 8.39).

Furthermore, "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed." (Romans 9.8)

So you see it really doesn't matter what their fleshly generation is, only Christians are the children of promise and inheritors of the promises given to the seed of Abraham, which is Christ. (c.f. Gal 3.16)

Arthur Koestler, a Jew, wrote a book about the Khazarian origins of Ashkenazi Jews, and explains how they are not Semitic (i.e. from Sem the son of Noah --c.f. Gen 6.10), but from his other son Japheth.

It's called, "The Thirteenth Tribe". You can find it and read it online.

Benjamin Freedman was a wealthy multi-millionaire businessman and Zionist Jew who was called out of his darkness and into the marvellous light of Jesus Christ. He was well acquainted with multiple U.S. presidents including Woodrow Wilson and FDR and also worked closely with prominent Jewish-Americans such as Bernard Baruch and Henry Morgenthau Sr. He was powerful and well-connected, and had no reason to betray his former way of life and his co-religionists, except for his love of truth -- for Jesus Christ is the Truth. He dedicated the rest of his life and spent all of his significant fortune, which in today's dollars would certainly run into the tens of millions of dollars, to exposing the Zionist aims and agents of Rothschild and to try to prevent them from enslaving the world in yet another bloody war.

I already posted a link to MP3's of a MUST LISTEN speech of his in 1961, where among many other topics such as the origins of WWI, WWII, the Jewish control of the Press, international banking, and politics, he also delves into the meaning of the words "Jew" and "anti-Semitism" and he addresses the Khazarian origins of the so-called "Jews".

Ex-Zionist Benjamin Freedman speaks at the Willard Hotel, Washington D.C., in 1961
Message 22743786

The following is an excerpt of a booklet by Benjamin Freedman prepared for a Jewish friend of his explaining the nature of the Khazarian conversion of the Jews.

You can read the whole thing here
iamthewitness.com

The Khazars were not "Semites". They were an Asiatic Mongoloid nation. They are classified by modern anthropologists as Turco-Finns racially. From time immemorial the homeland of the Khazars was in the heart of Asia. They were a very warlike nation. The Khazars were driven out of Asia finally by the nations in Asia with whom they were continually at war. The Khazars invaded eastern Europe to escape further defeats in Asia. The very warlike Khazars did not find it difficult to subdue and conquer the 25 peaceful agricultural nations occupying approximately 1,000,000 square miles in eastern Europe. In a comparatively short period the Khazars established the largest and most powerful kingdom in Europe, and probably the wealthiest also.

The Khazars were a pagan nation when they invaded eastern Europe. Their religious worship was a mixture of phallic worship and other forms of idolatrous worship practiced in Asia by pagan nations This form of worship continued until the 7th century. The vile forms of sexual excess indulged in by the Khazars as their form of religious worship produced a degree of moral degeneracy the Khazar's king could not endure. In the 7th century King Bulan, ruler at that time of the Khazar Kingdom, decided to abolish the practice of phallic worship and other forms of idolatrous worship and make one of the three monotheistic religions, about which he knew very little, the new state religion. After a historic session with representatives of the three monotheistic religions King Bulan decided against Christian and Islam and selected as the future state religion as the religious worship then know as "Talmudism", and now known and practiced as "Judaism". This even is well documented in history.

King Bulan and his 4000 feudal nobles were promptly converted by rabbis imported from Babylonia for that event. Phallic worship and other forms of idolatry were thereafter forbidden. The Khazar kings invited large numbers of rabbis to come and open synagogues and schools to instruct the population in the new form of religious worship. It was now the state religion. The converted Khazars were the first population of so-called or self-styled "Jews' in eastern Europe. So-called or self-styled "Jews" in eastern Europe after the conversion of the Khazars the descendants of the Khazars converted to "Talmudism", or as it is now know "Judaism", by the 7th century mass conversion of the Khazar population.

After the conversion of King Bulan none but a so-called or self-styled "Jew" could occupy the Khazar throne. The Khazar Kingdom became a virtual theocracy. The religious leaders were the civil administrators also. The religious leaders imposed the teachings of the Talmud upon the population as their guide to living. The ideologies of the Talmud became the axis of political, cultural, economic and social attitudes and activities throughout the Khazar kingdom. The Talmud provided civil and religious law.

It might be very interesting for you, my dear Dr. Goldstein, if you have the patience, to allow me to quote for you here form Volume IV, pages 1 to 5, of the Jewish Encyclopedia. The Jewish Encyclopedia refers to the Khazars as "Chazars". The two spellings are optional according to the best authorities. The two are pronounced alike. Either Khazar or "Chazar" is pronounced like the first syllable of "costume" with the word "Czar" added onto it. It is correctly pronounced "cos(tume)Czar". The Jewish Encyclopedia has five pages on the Khazars but I will skip through them:

"CHAZARS: A people of Turkish origin whose life and history are interwoven with THE VERY BEGINNINGS OF THE HISTORY OF THE JEWS OF RUSSIA...driven on by the nomadic tribes of the steppes and by THEIR OWN DESIRE FOR PLUNDER AND REVENGE...In the second half of the sixth century the Chazars moved westward...The kingdom of the chazars was firmly established in MOST OF SOUTH RUSSIA LONG BEFORE THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE RUSSIAN MONARCHY BY THE VARANGIAN (855)...At this time the kingdom of the Chazars stood at the height of its power AND WAS CONSTANTLY AT WAR... At the end of the eighth century...the chagan (king) of the Chazars and his grandees, TOGETHER WITH A LARGE NUMBER OF HIS HEATHEN PEOPLE, EMBRACED THE JEWISH RELIGION... The Jewish population in the entire domain of the Chazars, in the period between the seventh and tenth centuries, MUST HAVE BEEN CONSIDERABLE... about THE NINTH CENTURY, IT APPEARS AS IF ALL THE CHAZARS WERE JEWS AND THAT THEY HAD BEEN CONVERTED TO JUDAISM ONLY A SHORT TIME BEFORE... It was one of the successors of Bulan named Obadiah, who regenerated the kingdom and STRENGTHENED THE JEWISH RELIGION. He invited Jewish scholars to settle in his dominions, and founded SYNAGOGUES AND SCHOOLS. The people were instructed in the bible, Mishnah, and the TALMUD and in the `divine service of the hazzanim'.. In their writings the CHAZARS USED THE HEBREW LETTERS ... THE CHAZAR LANGUAGES PREDOMINATED... Obadiah was succeeded by his son Isaac; Isaac by his son Moses (or Manasseh II); the latter by his son Nisi; and Nisi by his son Aaron II. King Joseph himself was a son of Aaron, AND ASCENDED THE THRONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW OF THE CHAZARS RELATING TO SUCCESSION... The king had twenty-five wives, all of royal blood, and sixty concubines, all famous beauties. Each one slept in a separate tent and was watched by a eunuch...THIS SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN THE BEGINNING OF THE DOWNFALL OF THE CHAZAR KINGDOM ... The Russian Varangians established themselves at Kiev... until the final conquest of the Chazars by the Russians...After a hard fight the Russians conquered the Chazars... Four years later the Russians conquered all the Chazarian territory east of the Azov ... many members of the Chazarian royal family emigrated to Spain... Some went to Hungary, BUT THE GREAT MASS OF THE PEOPLE REMAINED IN THEIR NATIVE COUNTRY."

The greatest historian on the origin and the history of the so-called or self-styled "Jews" in eastern Europe was Professor H. Graetz, himself a so-called or self-styled "Jew". Professor H. Graetz points out in his famous "History of the Jews" that when so- called or self-styled "Jews" in other countries heard a rumor about so-called or self-styled "Jews" in the Khazar Kingdom they believed these converted Khazars to be the "lost ten tribes". These rumors were no doubt responsible for the legend which grew up that Palestine was the "homeland" of the converted Khazars. On page 141 in his "History of the Jews" Professor H. Graetz states:



To: Doug R who wrote (14053)8/23/2006 8:19:29 AM
From: RWS  Respond to of 20039
 
Thanks, and not a moment too soon.

RWS