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To: TimF who wrote (177336)	8/23/2006 11:22:06 AM
From: KLP	Respond to of 793570

US plane turned back to Amsterdam Email this Story Aug 23, 7:27 AM (ET) AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Two Dutch fighter planes accompanied a U.S. Northwest Airlines plane bound for Mumbai back to Amsterdam's Schiphol airport on Wednesday, officials said. A Dutch air traffic control spokeswoman said the plane was in German airspace when it turned back. A spokeswoman for Schiphol said the pilot had taken the decision to turn back but could give no further details. Security has been increased at airports worldwide after British police said on August 10 they had foiled a plot to blow up planes in the mid-Atlantic using liquid explosives disguised as drinks. Dutch news agency ANP quoted police as saying a number of people had been taken off the Northwest plane and were being questioned. Airport information said none of the passengers on the plane were being allowed to leave yet. Northwest Airlines said the plane was bound for Mumbai and declined to comment further. An air traffic control spokeswoman said the flight was NW0042, a 273-seat DC10-30 plane. Last month serial bomb blasts hit commuter trains in Mumbai, killing more than 180 people. Indian police said on Tuesday they had foiled another possible attack in the city after they shot dead a suspected Pakistani national. Dutch police were not immediately available to comment. A spokeswoman for Dutch counter-terrorism said the security alert had not been changed at Schiphol airport at midday on Wednesday. Schiphol airport is Europe's third largest cargo airport and fourth biggest passenger hub. An Iberian Airlines flight bound for Madrid was turned back to the Netherlands in April after a woman raised the alarm about a passenger she thought was acting suspiciously. The passenger was later cleared of any wrongdoing. (Additional reporting by Jason Neely in London)

To: TimF who wrote (177336)	8/23/2006 11:22:38 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793570

Lane3 and Euterpe - If your reading this can you tell me if this was close to your thinking before the war? It's difficult to capture and explain a POV not one's own. It's rare to find someone even trying. Pretty good job. I would have thrown in something stronger about Pandora's Box and the like, and something about resources and about how is this key to the WOT, but close enough. Congratulations.

To: TimF who wrote (177336)	8/23/2006 12:13:25 PM
From: KLP	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793570

Tim, thanks for your post. It is hard to try to figure out a particular mindset in hindsight....usually hard enough to figure out some mindsets in the present moment, let alone after the fact. You may have been closer to Lane3 and Euterpe thoughts, but for those like Sheehan or Kerry, etc, I deduce theirs are just automatic fallback into the VietNam days and anything and everything was "anti--" There were no suggestions that were positive...just negatives. Young people like me were against VietNam as well, but for entirely different reasons than pure rebellion for the sake of rebellion. We wanted to have the Government fully support the war, if war had to be. We wanted our troops to have the best equipment and weapons available. They didn't have those things. They didn't even have enough bullets or equipment to do much of anything. We didn't want "nuance" even thought most of us didn't realize at the time that it was "nuance" we were dealing with from Johnson's Government... And now hindsight has reminded us that "nuance" cost over 55,000 of our young men and women their lives.