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To: mph who wrote (27087)	8/24/2006 9:17:10 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541478

Excuses? I don't think so. Reasons. I post reasons, and people tell me they are "excuses". Look, let me make this clear, if I had my way no one who was not prepared to raise a child themselves, and was capable of raising one well, would have a child. But I know I do not make the rules, and the rules such as they are, are against me, and against children. In an imperfect world where parents as I said are AWOL (does that sound like I'm making excuses?) I choose to aim for the best protection of children we can. The state, imo, is better than nothing. You can certainly argue the state is not better than nothing- but practically we aren't going to be able to force parents to do much. The reason for that is that many of them are overcommitted at work- but that's a reason, not an excuse. Amazing you managed to work in Clinton. Jokes like that I'd rather pass on. You'd be better off posting them to someone who already agrees with you, since they are the only ones who will see the "humor". As I'm sure you know.

To: mph who wrote (27087)	8/24/2006 9:47:52 AM
From: MrLucky	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541478

You're more willing to accept excuses than I am. From the parents. From the educational system Exactly! Some people attempt to justify copping out as a "reason". When, in fact the children are their responsibility. The poor me story of having to work doesn't cut it because the vast majority of those instances in my neighborhood are not a "have to" situation but a 'prefer to" thing. If both parents find it important or worthwhile to work, fine with me. Just don't forget about "your" kids in the process. The education system in the USA has failed us in many respects. We all get some credit for this. We've been overly tolerant of the school administrators, the boards and those teachers who are incompetent in the work or have a political cross to bear.

To: mph who wrote (27087)	8/24/2006 12:33:59 PM
From: Mary Cluney	Respond to of 541478

I thought the conventional Dem position was that the Clinton era was an economic Camelot. If so, how come parents had to work so hard then?<g> It is all about the "Theory of Relativity". <GGGG> I am older than Bill Clinton. Clinton was very good at talking policy, but I knew that being able to talk about policy is a lot different than being able to make sensible policy. (Edit: I have since concluded that you have to at least to be able to talk about policy. That is a very necessary first step). Clinton could get away with a lot of his bs because he is very smart. He is a quick study and he can manage to stay one step ahead of everyone else. Clinton, like almost all other human beings has (had) character deficiencies, but the bottom line is that he is educable, does his homework, and that he is a kind and gentle person. The economy is not anything a President or any one else can micro manage. The best they can do is not let their own character flaws spill into their work and not screw things up on their watch. At the end of the day, the Clinton Administration was okay. He did a lot better that I had ever thought or could have hoped for. This is in very SHARP contrast to the situation we have now. What we have now exceed my worst fears.