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To: bentway who wrote (199606)	8/27/2006 3:33:33 PM
From: geode00	Respond to of 281500

I never really considered, before the Bush administration, that both Israel and the US weren't permanent fixtures on the face of the earth. Both seemed quite secure before but, now, everything and everyone seem up for grabs. In such a short period of time, the Bushies have completely changed the cards --- against us. I couldn't find the article but reportedly a former foreign minister was commenting to haaretz that it was the Europeans, not the USA, that Israel went for help in the ceasefire. The USA has so little credibility left in the region that we are not only immaterial but are a liability. In half a decade, the Bushies and the Neocons and the Fascists have destroyed what took generations to build up....nothing short of amazing. If the US government can lie to its people about war, ignore laws, preemptively invade for corporate profit and personal animosity, blithely drain the treasury, take from the many to give to themselves....how can this country stand up? It's not just Iraq and Israel that look iffy, it's us. Meanwhile, the American public is still 'divided' --- how is this possible --- about giving Republicans continued power to do more of the same. Why is this even a question. Unreal.

To: bentway who wrote (199606)	8/30/2006 11:28:10 AM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

If there where 10 million violent "Native Americans", would you support the US moving somewhere else? Or is your support for ethnic cleansing limited to the Israelis. Even if it was a realistic possibility (and it isn't) the Falklands or Spitsbergen aren't exactly set up to support millions of new immigrants. Any place that was so set up, would likely already have million of its own inhabitants. Or to sum up its an unreasonable plan from the beginning, and even if it was in theory reasonable, in practice its very unfeasible.