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To: TimF who wrote (27328)8/29/2006 2:38:35 PM
From: JohnM  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541915
 
You're heading too far into abstractions for me, Tim. But let me respond to some of the concrete stuff.

I can think of three senses its public in two of them. Its publicly/government owned. Its generally open to the public (not every government facility is), but it is a specific controlled space, not "the commons", it isn't public in that sense.

I agree with you on this, the three definitions. However, I don't know of any such "public" space around my little boro. All such public spaces are controlled space, subject to boro and state and federal regulations of a wide variety. Certainly that includes the public park. Well, the five or six small ones in addition to the one in the town center.

The government being able to regulate something isn't the same as the government directly owning something, and even if it does own something it can control its use through laws and regulations, or through operating as a normal property owner. The government might have some justification to owning the streets but if it tries to control them to the extent that a property owner could reasonably control his own property than it might be imposing a tyranny on the people. The same would not be true for a specific enclosed area of government property.

Of course regulation and owning are not synonymous. Nor did I argue such. But the legal right to regulate includes regulating things in my home: furnace replacements; hot water heater replacements; basement developments; additions; in addition to a long list of outside things. I'm not complaining. I understand the reasons for such and would complain if I learned they were not properly enforced. In fact, thinking again as I type, I've complained both as members of a group and individually about lax enforcement.

As for government creating a "tyranny on the people," at this small, local level government is, definitely, "the people". We can argue a great deal about the relationship between constructs like "the people" and other constructs like "government" at the state and federal level. But at the level of a little NJ boro, them is us.

When I have conflicts with the local boro government, which I have had and will have, I'm having conflicts with my agents in far more than a symbolic sense. The mayor and council members live just down the block, around the corner, down the hill, you name it. I serve on boards with some of them, go to parties in their homes, my kids hung out with their kids, you name it.

Them is us.