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To: TimF who wrote (301726)	8/31/2006 12:17:13 AM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1577995

The kibbutzim aren't exactly the wave of the future, I didn't say they were. even in Israel, and they can't (at least not all of them) really be considered "true communism as inspired by Marx". How so? To the extent that they do ok, its largely by operating like a firm in a capitalistic market. They are internally socialist/communist (even if not usually to the extent of the Marxian ideal) but externally operate as capitalist. Perhaps they operate as one capitalist agent collectively rather than as a bunch of small separate individual capitalist agents, but that's also what a corporation does. They may sell products to the world but the proceeds are divvied up anong all the residents. The means of production, the product, the proceeds......all belong to every member of the kibbutz. Production decisions, etc are made by a vote of the entire kibbutz. That is the model of communism that Marx desired. Also the "very single communist society that failed" that Tench was talking about was communism at a national level. Many attempts at small communes have also failed, but that failure is less universal. The problem, of course, is that what failed on the national level was not communism as Marx intended. Cuba comes close to exemplifying what Marx envisioned a communistic nation would look like although Cuba is a dictatorship and not a gov't of the proletariat. In any case, Cubas is not failing. But my point is not to defend communism....its not an economic system with which I feel comfortable.