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To: Elroy who wrote (200162)	8/30/2006 9:02:39 AM
From: Ichy Smith	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

Anyway, what does it have to do with the idea of bringing Palestinian refugees into the new country as equal citizens with the existing Israelis? Are you worried that if you bring in 75k Sunnis and 75k Shias you are importing 150k nitro glycerin or something like that? Shia and Sunnis hate each other, and a deal that benefits Sunnis may not stop the fighting at all. Hizbollah for example is Shia. When Germany was reunited, there were all kinds of problems because the Russians had left one side devastated, and the Americans had helped build their side into a modern country. The disparity between the two was huge. And there were a lot of problems. Now you want to join two diametrically opposed groups of people into a country where the attacker in most cases, will be the dominant group and the other group will surrender it's right to determine it's own future. The palestinians come from the far poorer section, without many of the things that Israelis take for granted. Now you want to slowly open the doors to Israel in some controlled fashion over many years. Unless you start by improving Palestine, you are going to fuel the total devastation of israel. Palestinians blame anyone but Palestinians for the conditions they live in. You want to open the doors before you have created the conditions that would make the transfer plausible, no matter how many years you think it would take. People seeing Israel as hugely better than Palestine, would not take kindly to a 20 year time frame. If people were more like cows they might, but they aren't Palestine must be brought up to Israeli Standards of living before not after the joining.

To: Elroy who wrote (200162)	8/30/2006 10:14:24 AM
From: Sam	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Come on, you don't think hatred of Jews has much to do with what's going on in Iraq, or even has any manifestation in Iraq, do you? There haven't been any Jews in Iraq for a long time as far as I know. There was a fairly large Jewish population in Iraq as recently as 1951, when their property was confiscated and they were kicked out. About 200,000 of them. Back in the Ottoman Empire days, they were actually the largest single group in Bagdhad--a little more than 80,000 Jews according to a 1917 census, at a time when there were just a little more than 100,000 Moslems (another 20,000 Christians and "Other"). If you divide the Moslems into Sunni and Shia groups, the Jews outnumber each one. When they were kicked out, they were allowed to take $150 per person with them. Newsflash--they were a fairly wealthy and prominent community, having been there continously since ancient times, and having had pretty good relations with the Ottoman Turks. Please remember that next time you talk about "just" solutions for Palestineans.