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To: Noel de Leon who wrote (200256)	8/30/2006 1:15:55 PM
From: Ichy Smith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"Palestinians blame anyone but Palestinians for the conditions they live in." Not so. A Palestinian majority elected HAMAS just because they were tired of the corruption the PLO represented. They got rid of the rascals and then the west decided that that wasn't good enough. But Hamas was seen/is seen as dedicated to destroying israel. Talk about from the frying pan into the fire. Hamas also stepped up attacks against israel, so the choice was perhaps not what it could have been. Of course with the growing number of hamas members living in israel, perhaps they will change their tune about peace.

To: Noel de Leon who wrote (200256)	8/30/2006 1:16:07 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Mortal enemies, France and Germany signed the Steel and Coal Union in 1952 along with 4 other countries and formed the basis of the EU. That took around 40 years or 2 generations. And the process only started after 7 years of complete peace that started when Germany had been utterly defeated. Not to mention that Germany and France where more rivals who occasionally fought serious wars against each other than they where true continual mortal enemies over generations. Also note that they still aren't one government. The EU has some power over both but it isn't a true government over both.