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To: Seeker of Truth who wrote (8754)8/30/2006 2:37:26 PM
From: CusterInvestor  Respond to of 219694
 
Can I be on the committee to decide feeble mindedness?
I have a couple neighbors that would qualify <g>.



To: Seeker of Truth who wrote (8754)8/30/2006 2:58:09 PM
From: elmatador  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 219694
 
The idea that there are a few people endowed by better brains and a majority of people condemned to be stupid is not a good one.

The progress that we have today is the result of people with the vision to develop and enhance what had been invented before and people had not taken advantage of it.

Case in point what Europe did with all the inventions the Arabs did. Arabs were unlucky to have retroceded into obscurantism by the spread of Muslins.

MQ is thinking that a blond guy with little blue eyes and white skin a little gay who doesn't like women is endowed with more brain and hence all the others are morons.

Then he is thinking that having ten kids produces 10 geniuses and 1 million produces none. This is far from reality.

If you get limited people like the Germans and Japanese and beat them into submission and obedience, they can create wonders.

Ok you have also to bomb them into piles of rubble to achieve that too. But I don't think is a good idea to do this with the whole world to achieve something.



To: Seeker of Truth who wrote (8754)8/30/2006 8:21:03 PM
From: Maurice Winn  Respond to of 219694
 
<How can one promote one's own genes by not having offspring or having fewer than 2 offspring?>

Being an engineer, once upon a time anyway, so maybe the claim is pretty thin now, like my hair, I go for boundary conditions to see what happens there. If a theory is still true at the extremes, it makes me think it's not too bad.

None of us have genes which are peculiar only to us. We have a whole load of genes and they are spread all through the human population. We have no idea what particular genes we have unless they are DNA gene array tested. Sure, we can broadly guess that we have a lot of particular kinds judging by how tall, blond, round, muscular etc we are, but we don't have the details.

Any particular gene is all over the place. So if any particular person doesn't reproduce, it doesn't mean that their genes are going the way of the dodo. What matters is what happens to the rest of their DNA.

The way tribal genocide used to work [and still does but people aren't doing so much of it due to various things] was that the blokes would all rampage over the hill, kill and be killed. The survivors would go on to breed with all the women. So their genes would take over completely.

The winning tribe had lots of losers who were killed and didn't go on to reproduce. But that doesn't matter because their brothers, uncles, grandfathers, nephews and others DID go on to reproduce while the evil-doers didn't and were wiped out. The loser slaying maybe 100 evil-doers before he was killed resulted in his DNA taking over, even though he was dead.

So, ipso facto, casus belli, inter alia, [cool legal jargon], a dead person's genes can be propagated even if he is dead.

To take another example, Dr Irwin Jacobs invented CDMA [along with is buddies in QUALCOMM]. That creates umpty $trillion in value for the communities which buy it. The communities which buy it are the ones which produced his DNA, because his DNA is creative DNA. But genes being what they are and with stirring of the pot, his offspring are unlikely to be so wondrous. Irwin's genes were BREWed up again with his wife's, trying out another throw of the dice. His offspring are not clones.

So, his amazing works create huge advantage for his creative-gene community. Africa, where not many of his genes are living, can't afford to buy the CDMA so they don't benefit. So they won't do so well in the survival stakes. Even without conflict and genocidal war, some societies do better than others and go on to live and breed. Others fizzle out, and die, or just stay as they are.

Chimps just stayed as they are. The creative-gene chimps got into an intelligence-enhancing feedback loop and turned into humans over 100,000 years or so.

So, an individual doesn't have to have offspring to help raise intelligence levels. By making their gene pool successful, they achieve the same result. That's why there's all the tribal thinking in human relations and why there has always been genocidal war. The need for war was built into our DNA over eons.

If we didn't breed like bunnies, then send our young blokes over the hill to take over when we got too crowded, we'd soon be seeing the evil-doers coming over the hill to take over from us. So it was breed and fight and win, or turn into just another failed bunch of blokes on the road from chimps to humans.

These days, they play football instead of doing the actual genocide. It's sublimated DNA drives in action. The tribes gather around hoping that their guys win because it is NOT good when your gang loses. Watch how dejected the loser supporters are. Their DNA failed and will be eliminated.

So, now you know how to promote one's own genes by not having offspring. Invent a nuclear bomb and blow up the evil-doers' DNA in one big go. Your uncles, brothers, sons and cousins can rampage into the defeated area and increase your intellectual DNA supply.

That's just one method. You can also increase your DNA by enabling hordes to live instead of just a hunter-gatherer few. Enabling millions to live in cities allows a huge gene pool to get to work. 2000 years ago, there were only 100 million humans [or thereabouts]. Which wasn't many for a big breeding and gene invention and selection industry. You need LOTS of genes and experiments and unreproduced DNA to be filtered out to improve the gene pool. It took a lot of years to produce a cocker spaniel from a wolf. It took a billion years to produce Albert Einstein from the megapetatrillions of gene attempts. But there are now a LOT of his genes around. So even without him reproducing, his genes have increased.

The Flynn Effect is the fifth of the Four Forces of the Apocalypse. Strong force, weak force, gravity and electromagnetic - add to that consciousness which is an observational force which brings the others into existence. the Flynn Effect measures intelligence, which is another way of saying consciousness. It's not a temporary artifact of history. It's a law of nature.

Mqurice