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To: neolib who wrote (200305)	8/30/2006 2:47:17 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Neo, I love you man but you are beginning to sound like elroy and parsons with your analogies. You are fixated on the SA example. Mideast is different. Both arabs and jews will agree on that one. And Cuber?? As Tony Soprano might say fuggetaboutit. (g) mike

To: neolib who wrote (200305)	8/31/2006 8:41:04 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 281500

"may" needs to be replaced with "would" in order for that statement to have any basis in reality. "Would" is correct, but that doesn't mean the statement phrased the other way has no basis in reality. "May" isn't inappropriate when dealing with such hypotheticals, but rather than have an argument over the semantics when we both agree on the actual facts I'm fine with "If the communists had seized FL and tried to secede from the union the reaction would have been violent." The difference is that the US is an established nation with long established claims over FL. There was no established Palestinian nation that the Israelis moved in to and took over. For the people dying in these disputes, declarations of state and pieces of parchment are utterly irrelevant. I'm not talking about pieces of parchment. American sovereignty over FL isn't just a peach of parchment. You where the one who drew the analogy with FL. Trying to secede from and established state is very different than the situation that Israel and the Palestinians faced in 1948.