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To: TimF who wrote (27515)	8/30/2006 7:48:53 PM
From: mph	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541993

Here's what the DNC says about terrorism and national security: (Governor Dean sent the following e-mail to Democrats across the country today.) Dear Fellow Democrat, Democrats have been playing defense for too long. Over the past few months, though, something has shifted. When it comes to national security, Democrats are playing offense for a change -- and it's working. It's not enough to respond to the daily misinformation coming out of the White House, or defend ourselves against outrageous claims from Dick Cheney. We can't let them dictate the national conversation. We have a fundamentally different vision for our security than the Party of Bush. We want a new direction in Iraq, more competent security at home, and the restoration of America's moral leadership in the world. And we have a plan to take that message to voters between now and Election Day with person-to-person outreach in all 50 states. We have staff on the ground ready to take a strong Democratic message to voters -- supporting candidates up and down the ballot and spreading the word that it's time for a change. We're going to fight for the Democratic vision on national security -- will you make a contribution to help fund our plan? democrats.org People trust Democrats to handle our national security. In the latest CBS News and ABC News polls, more people trust Democrats to make the right decisions on Iraq. And in the latest Newsweek poll, nearly two-thirds of Americans agree that the war in Iraq has not made us safer from terrorism. Meanwhile, as Iraq descends into civil war and becomes a new training ground for international terrorists, cargo coming into our country still isn't being inspected. While the Party of Bush scrambles to write its latest talking points calling anyone who opposes them "al Qaeda types", nuclear materials sit unguarded in the former Soviet Union. While the administration organizes lawyers to try to salvage its illegal domestic spying program, Osama bin Laden continues to remain free roaming around northwest Pakistan making videotapes five years after the tragic events of September 11th. We're strong, we're right, and the people know it. Now let's get our message our to voters in all 50 states. Can you donate to help make it happen? democrats.org Republicans have won two elections by instilling fear in people, and they're trying to do it again this year. But it's not going to work. The President's foreign policies have failed. Iraq is sliding into civil war. Iran and North Korea are more dangerous than they were five and a half years ago. And the Taliban continues to present a threat in Afghanistan. People have had enough. This administration cannot be trusted with our security. Democrats are going to reclaim American leadership with a tough, smart plan to transform failed policies in Iraq, the Middle East and around the world. We will double the size of Special Forces to destroy Osama Bin Laden and terrorist networks like al Qaeda. We will implement the bipartisan 9/11 Commission proposal to secure America's borders and ports and screen every container. And we will fully man, train, and equip our National Guard and our police, firefighters and other first responders. Let's get this message out to Americans who need to hear it: democrats.org When it comes to national security, the Republicans have not led. We will. Governor Howard Dean, M.D. Chairman, Democratic National Committee P.S. -- We are spending $8 billion a month in Iraq. That's $2 billion each week, $267 million each day, or $11 million each hour. For what we spend in three weeks, we could make needed improvements in order to properly secure our public transportation systems. For what we spend in five days, we could put radiation detectors in all of our ports. And for two days in Iraq, we could screen all air cargo. Can you donate to help make those things happen? democrats.org

To: TimF who wrote (27515)	8/30/2006 9:46:08 PM
From: GST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541993

Oh but you miss the point. If we pull out tomorrow or stay for a hundred years the outcome will go against us because we will never be wanted nor trusted nor effective in the region again -- certainly not in coming decades. We have set in motion forces that deliver the region to our enemies. We have effectively lost the middle east, lost control over the oil and lost the ability to do much for Israel. I cannot think of a larger strategic defeat. We delivered the most strategically important part of the world to our enemies, and vastly improved their standing in the world. This is no tactical defeat. Nor is it a defeat that can be counted in numbers of body bags. This is a fundamental long term strategic defeat. To call this a successful invasion is just blather.