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To: Noel de Leon who wrote (200338)	8/30/2006 10:39:44 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The Palestinians are, in many ways, far worse off than the Germans were in 1953. Perhaps, but they have never been defeated in the same way the Germans where in 1945. And they haven't had the 7 or 8 years of peace. To complicate things Germany actually was divided, but I'm not sure how relevant that is, that division was hardly a Germany vs. France issue. But it might be somewhat relevant as the division of Germany, combined with the threat from the East drove Germany closer to its allies and partners in Western Europe. "Not to mention that Germany and France where more rivals who occasionally fought serious wars against each other than they where true continual mortal enemies over generations." Not so, read some history. I've read quite a lot. France and Germany had alliances against each other for some time, and they fought wars over the years, but the idea of pushing the French people in to the Atlantic or the Med, or pushing the Germany people in to Eastern Europe, wasn't exactly a common theme across generations of French and German citizens. Enemies was an accurate description of their relationship at certain times, and not just times of active war, other times rivals might be a better description, in either case "mortal enemies" wasn't typically accurate, except perhaps for a few years during some of the worst of the wars, and even then it could be questioned. They fought vicious wars but they didn't have near continual terrorist attacks or IMO the same level of hatred. "Also note that they still aren't one government. The EU has some power over both but it isn't a true government over both." Rome wasn't built in a day. It is far from certain that the EU will ever be a real government over its members, either the EU being one country (not a treaty between multiple countries). If it does happen it will be a long time from now. Yes over a long time remarkable changes can occur. But that doesn't mean such changes are likely in every situation. Israelis and Palestinians aren't much more likely to share one government that Israelis and Egyptians.