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To: LoneClone who wrote (19666)	9/1/2006 11:03:58 AM
From: E. Charters	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 78407

oh come on! That was funny... In absolute truth NDP do not smoke up at Starbucks.. and most do not read newspapers while there. Technically, they smoke their choice of 'fair trade tobacco' ("weed" would be included in this designation normally) behind the restaurant in "NDP alley", a designated public smoking area, and trot back in to pour over their 16 inch lap top computers.. and they worry about the weather in foreign countries... and as to whether taking a public a position on raising money for the latest disaster in Asia will garner votes or look too opportunistic. Most NDP are educated, literate, make fine dinner guests, tend to dress well. Their working class brethren pretend to decorum as passive-aggressive loyalists of unions. NDP are mostly anti-mining in one way or another, whether or not they work for mines.. I worked at an iron mine in Ontario and most of the workforce there voted for the NDP. At the time the NDP had been single handedly responsible for almost completely destroying in turn the mining industry of Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and British Columbia. It did not seem to bother the workers to any degree. "Here it's/they're different" they seemed to say. It displays an interesting ability to live placidly with gigantic mental dichotomies that would make the Grand Canyon look like an irrigation ditch. swiftmagazine.com Casual debates can be tricky. On one hand, you must not compromise any of your liberal ideals; on the other, it is also not considered cool to seem stubborn or anti-intellectual. But with a little practice, you'll find that you can handle every argument with flair and come out looking like a great defender of your cause. Remember, the people you're really trying to impress are already on your side; appear confident, and you'll win them over. Why Argue at All? It may not seem immediately obvious why you have to pay any attention to evil i-bankers or backwoods hicks who don't understand your vision of peace and harmony for the world. Why can't you just laugh indulgently and ignore them? The reason is that part of what liberals like is an idea called "Free Speech." It is derived from a Constitutional amendment that puts restraints on the government's ability to silence people, but the liberal interpretation is a little bit different. While liberals don't have a problem with the government silencing really bad groups like the Ku Klux Klan, they believe that people with more innocent viewpoints have an obligation to talk constantly about them. Silence is unofficially outlawed, so part of appearing liberal is talking back. The essence of liberalism... "Meredith" is a poor person living in inner city Chicago. When taxes are cut and the economy booms, she has two children and no source of support, and she cries. The intersection of all those fancy lines(doesn't change this, does it? (Editor's note: "fancy lines" here means economics graphs) EC<:-}

To: LoneClone who wrote (19666)	9/1/2006 11:45:11 AM
From: marcos	Respond to of 78407

bmc.v - starting back up now, PI buying, last at .91, yee-haw aun.v, ggc.v, gpr.v - lots of the mexilvers actually, upticking nicely You're quite right on that LC, this is no place for reasoned debate, an inability to get out from under the top is seen as lack of forthrightfulness .... community standards, doncha know, the bar was set by Felderhof at PDAC that time, arms waving and none of this holding back for verification, such things are for poofters ... plus there are the semantic difficulties, particularly around the word 'liberal', as you point out it's used in various conflicting ways, even unto back-to-front in the US ... true liberals describe themselves as conservatives - the ghost of Burke told me that one time ... you may not want to swallow it whole though, not sure you can trust the man, wasn't waving his arms all that much

To: LoneClone who wrote (19666)	9/2/2006 6:46:57 PM
From: LLCF	Respond to of 78407

<Dak, you still have some time to edit or remove this post which reflects badly on you.> What, you can ponder and categorize different spectrum of political wings, but I can't? <I didn't think you were the type of name-calling purveyor of misleading stereotypes who would make a post like this.> Name calling? You mean noticing some people like to smoke in cafe's and worry about what's in the news is 'name calling'? And 'misleading'... you mean I have the wrong party (those guys/gals aren't NDP?)? Oh, which party are they? I know the guy I voted for last time (Ken Rouleax) loved to gang out the 'roasting company, smoke and worry... but then he was a "Green Party" guy... maybe it's them. <I guess I was wasting my time trying to engage in reasoned debate.> Or maybe you were just taking my post too seriously. <Over and out.> Now that IS Buzz lightyear-speak... hmmmmmm DAK