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Politics : Polite Political Discussion- is it Possible? An Experiment. -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: epicure who wrote (1268)	9/1/2006 5:58:17 PM
From: Bread Upon The Water	Respond to of 1695

Well, now we are getting someplace. That is very good. But I'm putting you on hold until I take care of that cheeky Euterpe.(G)

To: epicure who wrote (1268)	9/2/2006 1:33:10 AM
From: Bread Upon The Water	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1695

WE are, I think, talking two different things. You argue in your first paragraph that humans have adopted to outer changes in the world that surrounds them even the rapidity of changes have not let our evolutionary responses catch up to them. OK, I accept that as a factually correct. However, I raise a question as to whether we can actually adapt to the pace of change in the long run (and this will go to what I say about gender roles when I get to your second paragraph). If the stress levels this necessitated change has caused might not reach a critical psychic mass--that will cause us to Nuke ourselves out of existence or destroy ourselves in another manner. In other words, I meet your argument about our adaptation to the outer world with an argument that there are certain stress levels that change will bring to bear on our innate selves as humans, to the human inner world, that we will no longer function as humans. Do you accept this as a possibility---a reasonable possibility that is, not one of astronomical odds? You go on to say in your second paragraph that gender role change is one more change we can adapt to, and I would add for you (putting words in your mouth) even though in the context of our historical gender roles we have had but little time to adapt. And again I would meet that with the argument(s), that (1) Too little time has passed to tell whether this can successfully happen, and (2) there may be some fundamental psychic archetype embedded in human (un)consciousness that will not let us successfully make the gender role modification. Q: Do you admit to the reasonable possibility of either of the above? You also make a third argument in your second paragraph which I would state the premise as "The rational application of the human mind (reason) to the world's problems will solve those problems and enable the human race to successfully go on. Q: Do you think I have stated your third argument correctly? I will leave this for now and go on, if we need to go on, after I have your response(s).