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To: Rambi who wrote (1310)	9/3/2006 11:37:09 AM
From: epicure	Respond to of 1695

It's kind of funny that there are people who are in agreement with her, considering it's hard to know what she means. Obviously it's supposed to be a blast at the left for not being inclusive enough- but the most inclusive parties are the ones that tolerate not just dissenters, but people who can dissent with the dissenters. The democratic party is a huge tent, with everyone fighting underneath it. That's what I love about it. Although the reps are starting to fight with each other too. I may have to love them a bit also. damn it

To: Rambi who wrote (1310)	9/3/2006 2:57:47 PM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 1695

You could take so many of those sentences and merely change 'hard left' to 'hard right' and it would read equally true. Would it? Certainly lots of conservative Republicans are made at RINO's - Republicans in name only - like Spector, Chafee, Snow, and some others - and would like to push them out of the party. But they haven't done so. I note that Bush made a point of helping Spector win re-election when challenged by a more conservative Republican. ----------------------- "antiSemitism" by the left Anti-semitism on the left masquerades as anti-zionism. Antisemites generally they need to avoid using the J word - its zionists, likudniks, neocons they're all against now. If Mel Gibson had used one of those words i/o Jews during his drunken tirade he'd have had no PR problem. Do an SI or google search on "likudnik" and see if you get mostly material from right or left-wingers. The masquerade is pretty thin sometimes: littlegreenfootballs.com Todd Gitlin on Left Wing Anti-Semitism leftwatch.com (Now ex-) president of Harvard Larry Summers: "Serious and thoughtful people are advocating and taking actions that are anti-Semitic in their effect if not their intent," said Mr. Summers, referring both to the push for divestment and to actions by student organizations at Harvard and other campuses to raise money for groups found to have ties to terrorist groups. timshelarts.com Sheldon Drobny, a wealthy Jewish liberal who funds Air America recognizes there is a lot of antisemitism on leftwing blogs but thinks it must be planted by Karl Rove - (boy, does he have his head in the sand): .... My brother warned me that the liberal blogs were becoming very anti-Israel and some were so violently critical of Israel that there was a tone of anti-Semitism in that criticism. Since I generally do not read the blogs, I was surprised that liberals and progressives would treat the Israel/Palestine issue in such a shortsighted approach. .... But, to my surprise, I got 67 comments from my last post that were mostly hostile to me and the ones that supported my analysis. .... I came to the conclusion that the hostile comments about Israel on these liberal blogs are not coming from true liberals. Most of the anti-Semitism comes from racism and most of the racism I have experienced has come from the far right, not the left. ..... So my conclusion is that the bloggers who violently hate Israel and see it in black and white terms are not really liberals. They may even be anti-Semites, but they are not representative of the liberal community that was so active in achieving racial and ethnic equality. It is a contradiction for a true liberal to be an anti-Semite. Furthermore, I would not put it past the right wing to flood the liberal blogs with hateful criticisms of Israel to advance a perception that liberals are anti-Israel or anti-Semitic. And I see Karl Rove's fingerprints all over this. huffingtonpost.com And here on SI - this is a small sample: It's really amazing that a mere 14 million JEWS can cause SO MUCH trouble! Message 22761956 Message 22775779 Israel has a ready made fifth column in every western country. Message 22068975 If the global Jewish establishment continues to support Israeli murder and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and aggression against neighboring states they should be prepared to accept the consequences. ttp://www.siliconinvestor.com/readreplies.aspx?subjectid=53892&nonstock=True&msgid=22062846 Message 22776963 Zionist Control Of America Virtually Complete Message 22657294 On the relationship between anti-semitism and anti-zionism: Anti-Semitism and Anti-Zionism: The Link hnn.us