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To: neolib who wrote (201237)	9/5/2006 10:44:27 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

LOL Hawk! No way did Israel want them mucking about. Remember, they don't negotiate with terror organizations. Except now they are going to. Oh my! Actually, I seem to recall that Israel was pleading with the UN over and over again to have them pressure Lebanon and Syria to implement UNSC 1559, to no avail. The impetus to force the Syrians to leave didn't really happen until after Hariri was assassinated. I admit it is possible that Israel's border with Lebanon might become more peaceful, but overall, Israel's standing with MODERATE Arabs took another pounding. Maybe short term... But most of those moderate Arabs are Sunnis and they really don't give much of a sh*t what happens to Shi'as. In fact, they perceive a definite threat from Shi'ism so they might actually be thanking Israel (under their breath) for assisting in diminishing Iran's influence in Lebanon. But I agree.. there's quite a few perceptions that can be drawn from the recent conflict. We'll see what happens by later on this year. Hawk

To: neolib who wrote (201237)	9/5/2006 10:54:57 AM
From: SARMAN	Respond to of 281500

People go to great length to justify Israel actions and put down the UN.

To: neolib who wrote (201237)	9/5/2006 11:22:18 AM
From: jttmab	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

LOL Hawk! No way did Israel want them mucking about. Remember, they don't negotiate with terror organizations. Except now they are going to. Oh my! Israel is playing a semantics game to avoid that. Annan thinks he has agreement with Israel and Lebanon/Hezbollah to "mediate" and exchange. Israel won't negotitate with Hezbollah and the word "mediate" is too close to "negotiate". Israel is therefore insisting that they agreed that Annan can "facilitate" the release of the Israeli soldies. jttmab

To: neolib who wrote (201237)	9/5/2006 12:01:58 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"I admit it is possible that Israel's border with Lebanon might become more peaceful, but overall, Israel's standing with MODERATE Arabs took another pounding." Moderate arabs or moderate arab regimes??? With the former, sure israel is the bad guy but even there after watching the shiaa death squad militias in iraq, sunnis will think twice about this. Now Nasralla has apologized to the lebanese people, albeit disingenously for starting this thing. He knows he cant rule lebanon, only the shiaa part and he doesnt seem to be in favor of a shiaa/lebanon split with the creation of Palestine #2 on israelis northern border. He doesnt want to be gaza, i suspect. Surviving israeli ground attacks is one thing--its quite another to have yourself destroyed over and over again as goes on in gaza. Even iran has made some overtures for a peaceful solution on the border. Kofi and 15k troops will be between the two warring parties. Not all bad stuff at all. And since ownership of land is not the issue on the northern border, peace will be easier to achieve. There are no folks on the lebanese border other than some pal refugees who see israel as their home. Yup they may be willing to support the pal claim but thats a far cry from committing suicide for pals, especially since there is no love loss between shiaa lebanese and pals.