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To: Ichy Smith who wrote (201736)	9/7/2006 10:07:49 AM
From: Elroy	Respond to of 281500

You cannot democratise Islam. Islam is a totalitarian religion. This can change. Give Muslims 200 years of voting history and you probably will be watching near naked Lebanese go go dancers in every Muslim country in the world on 9pm Saturday night TV shows. There used to be no separation of church and state in Christianity as well hundreds of years ago - look at the Christian church now. If you give Muslims the vote, most of them will vote the way they are told. In a democracy there are always many voices telling different things. If there were a blind referendum on whether or not the population should be allowed to modestly dance in public in Iran, I say it would pass in some provinces and fail (perhaps) in others, no matter what the voters "were told". Which is why islamic democracies have only Muslims. Not true again. Lebanon, Indonesia, and Malaysia all have large non-Muslim populations. Muslims vote in India, the UK and the USA.

To: Ichy Smith who wrote (201736)	9/7/2006 10:17:47 AM
From: Keith Feral	Respond to of 281500

Every religion needs a reformation to clean up it's act. I think Islamic traditions need a reformation to improve civil rights, and religious tolerance. I wake up every day and realize what a schmuck I was, it's called humility. I don't think that most Muslims are above humility. However, the structure of the religous order forces them to acquiesce to the brotherhood or global unity of Muslim order. This is the totalitarian fishnet. No one is permitted to think outside of the net. The laws of the religion suggest death for people that do not follow. These traditions follow the brutal traditions of Christianity back in the dark ages. We need to offer our humility as a progressive culture that can sympathize with the torture of the Islamic masses by their religious leaders like Al Wahhab. The structure of the Church and State may never be severed for Islamic countries, but they could accomodate some degree of religious tolerance and civil rights.