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To: TimF who wrote (28260)	9/8/2006 4:14:54 PM
From: neolib	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541235

"Falling for the 'teach the controversy' nonsense of the ID crowd" doesn't mean that you actually believe in ID. Also I'm not so sure that most libertarians or even more libertarian conservatives would actually fall for it. For example, go read the Cato Institutes views on the matter. They love this because they use it to angle for school choice. Oddly enough, their argument is that school choice would allow parents to choose schools which teach what the parents want, with no mention of subject competency. It does not bother them that biology can be screwed from one end to the other, but it would bother them horribly if math or English got the same treatment. I can only assume Cato is also dead set against educational testing norms as well, but have not actually read that. It follows logically from their stance on educational choice. If by some miracle, they do support objective testing, then they are rather inconsistent. Regarding ID & the Holocaust 1) Evolution is a extremely well supported scientific theory, with far more tons of documentation than the holocaust, and literally millions of scientists accept that. There were of course, not millions of witnesses for the Holocaust. Millions dead, but not millions killing them. Doubt there were more than a few thousand Nazi's at each main death camp, and most likely only a few 100K Nazi's actually knew what was going on total. But perhaps I'm mistaken. The real horror of the holocaust was not known (accept perhaps in small circles) in the West until the camps were found near the wars end. 2) Evolution is not strictly "random mutation and natural selection". This has been known for a very long time. The question is one of common descent, which is why we still credit Darwin with all the glory. Only a very few ID proponents accept common descent, and mostly they weasel on the question. BTW, that is why ID is not totally embraced by many religious conservatives, they actually see it as a threat. 3) Evolution is viewed as offensive, not just inaccurate. The idea that humans are actually animals is far more offensive to most conservative christians than the fact that the holocaust is a great blemish on human nature.