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To: Richnorth who wrote (574)	9/12/2006 10:50:31 AM
From: Jim S	Respond to of 10087

OK Rich. How about the aliens in the Marianas Basin? Are they controlling things? Do you wear a tin foil hat to prevent them from controlling your mind? Sorry, bud. You've presented nothing but some wild allegations and unsupported conspiracy theories. Not even theories, because there is no coherence, but hypotheses. There's nothing to discuss.

To: Richnorth who wrote (574)	9/12/2006 10:53:44 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10087

Germany to this day does not have a formal constitution Why would you say something like that, when it's so easy to double-check? iuscomp.org en.wikipedia.org If you took the trouble to study the history of the Holocaust, most of the concentration camps were not in Germany, they were further East, many in what became part of the Soviet Union after the fall of the Iron Curtain, many in Poland. Given that Eastern Europeans are well known to hate Jews, why would they lie to please America after the beginning of the Cold War? Their own archives substantiate the facts found in Western archives. Bottom line, getting your "facts" from skinheads and Islamofascists is friviolous work.

To: Richnorth who wrote (574)	9/12/2006 11:05:04 AM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 10087

Now, here is a useful aggregate of facts, the War Tribunals (aka Nuremberg Trials) conducted in Germany after WWII, presided over by Robert H. Jackson, a Justice of the United States Supreme Court. A lot of information in these books. My law school had the entire series, there were twelve sets of trials of a dozen or more defendants at each set of trials. All the evidence, including depositions, affidavits, and other documentary evidence, as well as trial transcripts and pleadings, are available. Many shelves of thick books with thin paper. yale.edu

To: Richnorth who wrote (574)	9/12/2006 11:12:11 AM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 10087

Another book for you, a smallish one, wouldn't take much time to read, "Ordinary Men:Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland." Written by Christopher Browning (doesn't sound like a Jewish name, does it?) About middle aged German policemen who were too old to be drafted into the Army, so were sent in mobile units ("Einsatzgruppen"), moving from time to time and place to place, killing Jews that the Germans occupying Poland had aggregated in various areas. This was before they invented gas chambers, the policemen had to shoot them in the head, one shot, the so-called "Stalin shot" to the base of the skull. After the war was over, and they were interviewed, they admitted to killing all Jews from tiny babies to pretty girls and women to old people who couldn't even get out of bed. They didn't like it, even the ones who were gung-ho, because they got blood and brain tissue splashed on them, and it made them sick. They drank a lot, schapps, basically stayed drunk all the time. I thought it was a very interesting set of interviews. Lots of detail about killing Jews. You might like it. amazon.com

To: Richnorth who wrote (574)	9/12/2006 11:25:01 AM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 10087

Hmm. Amazon has lots of interesting looking books about the Holocaust in Poland I haven't read, written by Polish scholars. Take a look. Neighbors: The Destruction of the Jewish Community in Jedwabne, Poland. amazon.com The Neighbors Respond: The Controversy over the Jedwabne Massacre in Poland amazon.com Oooo, here's an interesting one, about how the Poles persecuted concentration camp victims after liberation. Lovely. Fear: Anti-Semitism in Poland After Auschwitz amazon.com Disclosure, I am Catholic -- as are most Poles -- and so spent a lot of time studying the persecution of Catholics by the Nazis. If you don't like Catholics, either, you may find that suspicious. Maybe the Pope was in cahoots with the Zionists. That doesn't square with what the Jews say about the Pope, though. writing.upenn.edu I'm also part Slavic -- Croatian -- the Nazis thought Slavs were inferior, too, and killed a lot of them in concentration camps, as well. ushmm.org en.wikipedia.org The Gentile Holocaust, and a list of Catholics beatified or canonized for martyrdom. catholicculture.org