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To: JeffA who wrote (576)	9/12/2006 10:39:36 AM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10087

" ... lose their shock value...it's a cheap shot " What we are witnessing is the effectiveness of proposing a viewpoint that is so askew from conventional wisdom that people refuse to let it lie ... no matter how ludicrous. However this is a rule driven thread and there is no rule against proposing ludicrous viewpoints. I also see no real benefit in arguing with them. Does anyone want to argue with me about the insidiousness of proposing spinach as a super strength aid that will enable you to topple the biggest bullies ... danged Popeye cartoons!!!! Richnorth is our resident conspiracy theorist and anti-establishment anarchist. That can be quite entertaining, including some of the reactions he gets. But the thread was designed to advance discussion in a growth oriented fashion. I hope to increase my knowledge and awareness on key issues of our day. The holocaust events are well established and documented by corroborating and credible sources as fact. There could be an argument that some aspects of the holocaust have been exploited for gain by certain political groups or leaders, but whether or not it was atrocious is not a question in the minds of rational individuals. Best regards, gem

To: JeffA who wrote (576)	9/12/2006 11:38:09 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10087

I think the reason there isn't as much public knowledge of the Nazis murders of non-Jewish Russians, Poles, and other Eastern Europeans is the fall of the Iron Curtain, and the quick rehabilitation of Germany as an ally. Because Germany was our ally, Americans wanted to sweep a lot of the Holocaust under the rug, and it was Jewish scholars who kept up with the research and Jews who acted as gadflies to get western countries to prosecute former perpetrators of the Holocaust, like Simon Wiesenthal. For example, Werner von Braun never suffered one iota for using slave labor at Peenemünde, and eventually became an American hero. East of the Iron Curtain, Soviet scholars ignored the systematic murder of Jews, Catholics, gypsies, Freemasons, etc., and concentrated on the murder of Communists, socialists and trade unionists. But here in the West, our scholars did not have access to archives behind the Iron Curtain, including those in East Germany, Poland, Rumania, Yugoslavia, Hungary, etc. After the end of the Cold War, the research has become more unified.